KG4WSS, Killed in Consulate Attack

[KK5R]

No, his description is NOT close. Our government was WARNED of potential hostilities DAYS in advance. A lack of action leading up to these events is criminal in my mind. Government officials were and are negligent; they are not blameless.

BTW, I have twenty-five years of service with the DoD, DoJ, and DoT, as a technician, engineer and project manager, to include years of service working abroad on nuclear weapons systems.

Americans died because of negligent leadership -- at multiple levels.

73.

The story, official and actual, has been changing. Also, there are factors that cannot and should not be discussed in this forum. If you indeed have the experience you claim, you would know what I'm talking about.

[KB4QAA]

The Ambassador was the final decision maker in this case. He was a highly experienced career diplomat and has probably faced similar warning situation dozens of times. He could have ordered the consulate reinforced (to a greater degree) or abandoned. We don't don't know what warning was given or the level of detail, if any.

The fact that he stayed where he was tells us he was comfortable with the situation.

And we can't forget that the enemy can always bring more than you expect or can react to on short notice.

[W0DLR]

Freedom of speech just went down the tube. Why mess with this stupid comment site, if it doesn't please someone else you are wiped out.

[NL7W]

Yes... disinformation campaigns are alive and well, especially stateside. The truth was buried initially to frame some vestige of cover for incompetent and or criminal officials, now and into the future. The truth is surfacing slowly, as the press does its best to mitigate damages to officials ultimately responsible for the health and well-being of their people.

For the truth, one has to scour both stateside and overseas print, audio/visual, and or Internet sources. Then one must understand the likely motivations and biases of the orgs presenting information. Then, be patient.

The truth will out... mostly.

It is my hope that sensitive items, i.e. paper, hardware or software, were destroyed before any facilty(ies) were overrun.

The loss of life is or was unnecessary, irresponsible and should be shameful to those over the fallen.


73.

The story, official and actual, has been changing. Also, there are factors that cannot and should not be discussed in this forum. If you indeed have the experience you claim, you would know what I'm talking about.

[KD2AAE]

Wiped out by the director (K6BBC) of the movie Hellraiser nonetheless... Let's hope we don't get any visits from the Cenobite Pinhead. This is a privately owned forum, so no problem here. Free speech doesn't always exist in my household either.

I believe Sean Smith cared about the people of Libya or he wouldn't have risked his life to be in a dangerous country in turmoil. The disinformation we witnessed was a poor attempt to dehumanize the Libyan people and save face. It is now being reported that Libyans took Ambassador Chris Stevens to the hospital alive where he died of smoke inhalation. Again, even the media clearly stated the body of Ambassador Chris Stevens was dragged through the streets. That wasn't the reality. The truth is that Libyans took Chris Stevens to the hospital after the attack out of concern for his well being regardless of differences in politics, religion and national origin. I'm sure the same respect was given to Sean Smith as well as Libyan civilians came to the aid of the consulate after the attack. Now that's a real enlightening human story. Why won't mainstream media and our government set the story straight and show the human side of the Libyans instead of trying to frame them as mindless savage enemies? These people who helped need to be thanked instead of being victims of sham wars instigated through the manipulation of truth and public opinion. I guarantee most Libyans would try to help you if you found yourself in need in their country.

There is no need to debate the discrepancies anymore as the truth about the incident is rapidly coming to light. The families of 9-11 victims have not yet been afforded the same opportunity. Sean Smith confronted hardened Al Qaeda(another layer in the onion of truth) operatives. The story could have ended with the blame being stuck solely on the non-existent Libyan protesters. There is much honor in the truth and I commend Sean Smith for his service. Not all diplomats promote peace, but I believe the consulate staff in Libya sure did.

Lastly, Libya is an unstable country. Gaddaffi was assassinated. An American diplomat that we shall not mention said "We came... We Saw... He Died....." followed by laughter in reference to Gaddaffi's assassination on public T.V. Our country released Al Qaeda operatives from Gitmo into Libya for destabilization efforts. There absolutely should have been a large security force present at the consulate. Politics aside, all of our representatives as a whole are responsible. Most humans care about other humans. It's a rare evil breed that has blatant disrespect for human life regardless of their personal beliefs, religion or national origin. When humanity is lost in reporting, the whole truth isn't being told.

Witness, video: Libyans found Stevens alive after consulate attack, rushed him to hospital:
"Alive, Alive!" come other shouts, then a cheer of "God is great." Video taken by al-Bakoush and posted on YouTube shows Stevens being carried out of the room through a window with a raised shutter. "Bring him out, man," someone shouts. "Out of the way, out of the way!". The next scene shows Stevens lying on a tile floor, with one man touching his neck to check his pulse. Al-Bakoush said that after that scene, they put Stevens in a private car to rush to the hospital.

http://www.newser.com/article/da1bnp...-hospital.html

[KK5R]

Wiped out by the director (K6BBC) of the movie Hellraiser nonetheless... Let's hope we don't get any visits from the Cenobite Pinhead. This is a privately owned forum, so no problem here. Free speech doesn't always exist in my household either.

I believe Sean Smith cared about the people of Libya or he wouldn't have risked his life to be in a dangerous country in turmoil. The disinformation we witnessed was a poor attempt to dehumanize the Libyan people and save face. It is now being reported that Libyans took Ambassador Chris Stevens to the hospital alive where he died of smoke inhalation. Again, even the media clearly stated the body of Ambassador Chris Stevens was dragged through the streets. That wasn't the reality. The truth is that Libyans took Chris Stevens to the hospital after the attack out of concern for his well being regardless of differences in politics, religion and national origin. I'm sure the same respect was given to Sean Smith as well as Libyan civilians came to the aid of the consulate after the attack. Now that's a real enlightening human story. Why won't mainstream media and our government set the story straight and show the human side of the Libyans instead of trying to frame them as mindless savage enemies? These people who helped need to be thanked instead of being victims of sham wars instigated through the manipulation of truth and public opinion. I guarantee most Libyans would try to help you if you found yourself in need in their country.

There is no need to debate the discrepancies anymore as the truth about the incident is rapidly coming to light. The families of 9-11 victims have not yet been afforded the same opportunity. Sean Smith confronted hardened Al Qaeda(another layer in the onion of truth) operatives. The story could have ended with the blame being stuck solely on the non-existent Libyan protesters. There is much honor in the truth and I commend Sean Smith for his service. Not all diplomats promote peace, but I believe the consulate staff in Libya sure did.

Lastly, Libya is an unstable country. Gaddaffi was assassinated. An American diplomat that we shall not mention said "We came... We Saw... He Died....." followed by laughter in reference to Gaddaffi's assassination on public T.V. Our country released Al Qaeda operatives from Gitmo into Libya for destabilization efforts. There absolutely should have been a large security force present at the consulate. Politics aside, all of our representatives as a whole are responsible. Most humans care about other humans. It's a rare evil breed that has blatant disrespect for human life regardless of their personal beliefs, religion or national origin. When humanity is lost in reporting, the whole truth isn't being told.

Witness, video: Libyans found Stevens alive after consulate attack, rushed him to hospital:
"Alive, Alive!" come other shouts, then a cheer of "God is great." Video taken by al-Bakoush and posted on YouTube shows Stevens being carried out of the room through a window with a raised shutter. "Bring him out, man," someone shouts. "Out of the way, out of the way!". The next scene shows Stevens lying on a tile floor, with one man touching his neck to check his pulse. Al-Bakoush said that after that scene, they put Stevens in a private car to rush to the hospital.

http://www.newser.com/article/da1bnp...-hospital.html

Good and interesting update. Thanks! I'm sure more info will come in time.

[KO6WB]

The latest in this tragedy is that the Libyans have attacked who they believed was responsible for the lost of American lives. There were protesters but that was just the cover the militants needed to cause havoc on their own terms. If this happens to be the truth then the Libyans are to be praised for attempting to show some humanity. The problem is the Libyans didn't take any action against those that caused harm prior to the deaths of our public servants. Perhaps this will be an awakening moment and the tolerance of armed thugs is at an end. We can only hope that the loss of our fellow Americans was not, in the long run, in vain. Maybe just maybe something good will come of this.
To our fallen fellow citizens I hope they rest in peace and their families and friends gain comfort in their sacrifice for what they knew to be something good for the world.
73
Gary

[KD2AAE]

There were protests around the world in response to the Anti-Islam video. However, one of the Libyan guards who was wounded and survived the Benghazi attack said there was not a protest at the consulate in Benghazi leading up to the attack. The media ran photos and videos of protests that occurred at the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen and elsewhere within Benghazi reports and news articles. Most people took the images and story line at face value.

There was another incident recently where the media deceptively used pictures of 2003 war victims in Iraq to blame on the Syrian government in 2012. Pictures in news stories don't always correlate to the content of the article. Research the Pat Tillman(Friendly Fire? Murder?) and Jessica Lynch(Helped by Iraqi hospital staff?) stories. There are some parallels between the Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch stories. Jessica Lynch came forward and told the truth that the official story about her ordeal was very inaccurate.

The media and government use the media to spark emotions and manipulate public opinion. We took the bait and rushed to judgement after 9-11 and attacked Afghanistan and Iraq (11 years and counting) when none of the hijackers were from either country. Most of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia which has been immune from blame and the unrest we have instigated throughout the Middle East. Also remember that Anwar Al-Awlaki (Al Qaeda Operative) met at the Pentagon and had lunch with military officials after 9-11 while he was on the kill or capture list... Media reports Anwar Al-Awlaki and his 16 year old American son died(CIA - Retired IMO) in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen... Everything needs to be critically reviewed and considered. Something is really wrong with the government and media narrative we are being fed on a daily basis. I believe the disinformation on the Bengahzi attack didn't stick as people are fed up with being deceived. We are starting to question and challenge the official stories now.

No protests before siege, injured Libyan guard says:
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...#ixzz27DG3UYCI

BBC News uses 'Iraq photo to illustrate Syrian massacre:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...-massacre.html

Dining with the enemy: Al Qaeda leader linked to 9/11 hijackers 'was invited to the Pentagon for lunch after attacks':
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz27DOl5LKq

[KK5R]

There were protests around the world in response to the Anti-Islam video.
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According to the President, State Department and government terrorist entities, for the past couple of days the story has changed to that the hard-to-find film was merely an excuse used by the terrorists. The attack in Libya has therefore been determined to be an act of terrorism.

For most of a week, the story was that the film incited the riots, etc., in Cairo but one "protest" leader was asked if he had seen the film and he said he had not but the title of the film was enough to form a [violent] protest. Some call this a Jihad or religion-connected act of violence.

It may be weeks before we can look back and know that the whole story has been told. But now they are reporting that the private security contractors gave assistance to the attackers by supplying them with crucial information. The deeper one looks, the more there is to find, from all appearances. Few successful attacks are made without planning and support from local people. However, this is just one element of a wave of violence and the story is unfolding and expanding. Terrorists will not be satisfied with the death of only four people. Let's hope and pray that our people on the ground doing Embassy work will be provided sufficient security that their return to American will be on their own feet and not as sinister as the return of those four in Libya.

[KD3NE]

To those who gave their all in service of our nation RIP.

To their families go our condolences and prayers.

To those who might be able to prevent such senseless loss of life and for whatever reason do nothing .... RIH !