Recent Warming of Antarctica "Unusual But Not Unprecedented"

[AF6LJ]

Climate change is the norm on this planet, at least this is one peace of data the warmists cannot use.

from slashdot....
Recent Warming of Antarctica "Unusual But Not Unprecedented"

First time accepted submitter tomhath writes
with a link to the abstract (full article paywalled) in Nature of an "Ice core study that concludes that climate change and associated melting of ice in Antarctica is more the norm than the exception, including rapid warming cycles as we appear to be in today. Study concludes: 'Although warming of the northeastern Antarctic Peninsula began around 600 years ago, the high rate of warming over the past century is unusual (but not unprecedented) in the context of natural climate variability over the past two millennia. The connection shown here between past temperature and ice-shelf stability suggests that warming for several centuries rendered ice shelves on the northeastern Antarctic Peninsula vulnerable to collapse.'"

[KB1NXE]

And this supports what I have been saying about GW for YEARS! There just isn't enough data to post a conclusion on the cyclic weather events of this planet. Are we warming? I agree and say yes, but further say that it may be a very usual cycle with a period of several hundreds or thousands of years. We just don't know. Because we do not have accurate and calibrated records reaching back all that time.

[N0SYA]

Don't you guys feel just a tiny bit guilty about not living in caves and wearing leaves as well as eating them, uncooked?
You know, to save Gaia!
No one is doing enough to stop globular warmins!

[G8ADD]

Climate change is the norm on this planet, at least this is one peace of data the warmists cannot use.

from slashdot....
Recent Warming of Antarctica "Unusual But Not Unprecedented"

First time accepted submitter tomhath writes
with a link to the abstract (full article paywalled) in Nature of an "Ice core study that concludes that climate change and associated melting of ice in Antarctica is more the norm than the exception, including rapid warming cycles as we appear to be in today. Study concludes: 'Although warming of the northeastern Antarctic Peninsula began around 600 years ago, the high rate of warming over the past century is unusual (but not unprecedented) in the context of natural climate variability over the past two millennia. The connection shown here between past temperature and ice-shelf stability suggests that warming for several centuries rendered ice shelves on the northeastern Antarctic Peninsula vulnerable to collapse.'"

Well, Sue, I hope you regard that as good news, the other end of the planet isn't in such good shape!

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-minimum-2012/

uk.news.yahoo.com/arctic-cap-course-record-melt-us-scientists-211016227.html

And for a less sanguine view of your news item:

uk.news.yahoo.com/man-partly-blame-antarctic-ice-shelf-collapse-study-163418258.html

73

Brian G8ADD

[K4KWH]

For centuries, the earth has cooled and warmed, and done it again. The sun has done the same thing- "cooling", if you can call it that, and warming, also with definite effects on earth's climate. But now, the political "changers" and "elite" (Elite being the extreme left allied with the tree huggers) have suddenly decided, having been pumped FULL of excrement and wild-eyed ideals by socialist professors, there is a "crisis" in climate that only THEY can, or should, change. It is also seen as an opportunity to do what they haven't been able to during the last century: mold the world to their idealistic utopia where their control of what they see as ignorant masses is sealed by a "crisis" under which this unwashed mass will accept their orders without question! (like----- Your paperzzzzzzzz, pleeeeeezzzzzzze! KLOP!)

Do I KNOW that the melts are not due to 'climate change'? Not for sure; I'm no scientist. But this has happened before and it leads me to believe that it is a cyclical event that will occur whether we intervene or not. Now with that said, I also believe that we should do what we can to protect our environment by not carelessly spewing harmful substances into the atmosphere, by recyling and re-using things instead of randomly throwing them into the landfill I believe God is the Creator of this earth and all within, and HE will determine ultimately what happens to the entire universe: He said so. I therefore think it is ludicrous for Man to believe he is big enough to "save the world" on his own! This is runaway idealism. Again, we should do all in our power as individuals to help the planet, and there are things we can do. But, IMHO, if the earth is going to warm, it's going to warm, and other than taking care of our own little area, cleaning up, recycling, restricting smoke and 'junk" into the atmosphere, it is all we can do. But I will not be controlled by any group with a ("your paperzzzzz pleeeeezzzze") social agenda. They can't kill me but once and I can only do what I can do. I promise not to fart but once a day!!!!

J

[AC4UT]

It's the dang Flouride causing it.

[G8ADD]

For centuries, the earth has cooled and warmed, and done it again. The sun has done the same thing- "cooling", if you can call it that, and warming, also with definite effects on earth's climate. But now, the political "changers" and "elite" (Elite being the extreme left allied with the tree huggers) have suddenly decided, having been pumped FULL of excrement and wild-eyed ideals by socialist professors, there is a "crisis" in climate that only THEY can, or should, change. It is also seen as an opportunity to do what they haven't been able to during the last century: mold the world to their idealistic utopia where their control of what they see as ignorant masses is sealed by a "crisis" under which this unwashed mass will accept their orders without question! (like----- Your paperzzzzzzzz, pleeeeeezzzzzzze! KLOP!)

Do I KNOW that the melts are not due to 'climate change'? Not for sure; I'm no scientist. But this has happened before and it leads me to believe that it is a cyclical event that will occur whether we intervene or not. Now with that said, I also believe that we should do what we can to protect our environment by not carelessly spewing harmful substances into the atmosphere, by recyling and re-using things instead of randomly throwing them into the landfill I believe God is the Creator of this earth and all within, and HE will determine ultimately what happens to the entire universe: He said so. I therefore think it is ludicrous for Man to believe he is big enough to "save the world" on his own! This is runaway idealism. Again, we should do all in our power as individuals to help the planet, and there are things we can do. But, IMHO, if the earth is going to warm, it's going to warm, and other than taking care of our own little area, cleaning up, recycling, restricting smoke and 'junk" into the atmosphere, it is all we can do. But I will not be controlled by any group with a ("your paperzzzzz pleeeeezzzze") social agenda. They can't kill me but once and I can only do what I can do. I promise not to fart but once a day!!!!

J

Enlighten me. How do you know what the politics of these "professors" are? How do you know that your 'political "changers" and "Elite"' are all from the "extreme left" ?(WOW, I haven't seen such invective since the dark days of the Cold War!) Let us into the secret, what is your source of information on these faecal matter dispensing "professors"?

Are you so insecure in your ignorance that you must look on anybody working in science as evil plotting communist/fascist world controlers? Man, you really ought to get out more!

It has been said that the more ignorant we are, the more certainty we possess. Your certainty , my friend, is misplaced, your knowledge built not on a rock, but on sand. As a man of religious leanings, I'm sure you recognise my analogy!

Look, just indulge me for a moment. Let us play "what-ifs", what if the climate scientists are 100% right, what then?

Do you have fire insurance? The odds against your house burning down are hundreds to one against, but I'll bet you carry insurance. The Earth is also your house, what insurance should it carry?

73

Brian G8ADD

[KI4NGN]

For centuries, the earth has cooled and warmed, and done it again. The sun has done the same thing- "cooling", if you can call it that, and warming, also with definite effects on earth's climate. But now, the political "changers" and "elite" (Elite being the extreme left allied with the tree huggers) have suddenly decided, having been pumped FULL of excrement and wild-eyed ideals by socialist professors, there is a "crisis" in climate that only THEY can, or should, change. It is also seen as an opportunity to do what they haven't been able to during the last century: mold the world to their idealistic utopia where their control of what they see as ignorant masses is sealed by a "crisis" under which this unwashed mass will accept their orders without question! (like----- Your paperzzzzzzzz, pleeeeeezzzzzzze! KLOP!)

Do I KNOW that the melts are not due to 'climate change'? Not for sure; I'm no scientist. But this has happened before and it leads me to believe that it is a cyclical event that will occur whether we intervene or not. Now with that said, I also believe that we should do what we can to protect our environment by not carelessly spewing harmful substances into the atmosphere, by recyling and re-using things instead of randomly throwing them into the landfill I believe God is the Creator of this earth and all within, and HE will determine ultimately what happens to the entire universe: He said so. I therefore think it is ludicrous for Man to believe he is big enough to "save the world" on his own! This is runaway idealism. Again, we should do all in our power as individuals to help the planet, and there are things we can do. But, IMHO, if the earth is going to warm, it's going to warm, and other than taking care of our own little area, cleaning up, recycling, restricting smoke and 'junk" into the atmosphere, it is all we can do. But I will not be controlled by any group with a ("your paperzzzzz pleeeeezzzze") social agenda. They can't kill me but once and I can only do what I can do. I promise not to fart but once a day!!!!

J

Yes, but why is it that people use the reason that we have always had GW cycles as the basis for believing that we are not contributing to the current one? Rivers have been flowing for millions of years, often changing their paths. Does that mean that we couldn't change the path of a river, just because they've always done it on their own?

People used to think that Man was not big enough to make the air unbreathable and the water undrinkable, but that was proved wrong. People used to think that it was impossible to over-fish the ocean. Guess what? LOL That's the problem: people won't accept that may be required to make a change in their lives until they have no choice. The hard way, but it seems to be the only way.

And why is it that anyone who tries to point out the facts and dangers of GW is labelled as having some social agenda? You go on about what you don't know, but then make baseless comments like that. I accept the science and I certainly have no social agenda. I don't believe that scientists collecting, collating, and evaluating data have any social agenda either. Do you think they all woke up one day and decided they were going to try to find some way to change society, they just needed to find the right trigger? LOL

We could have destroyed the world by now with nuclear weapons. Any doubt of that? We, Man, didn't, because we woke up to the fact that we could and were headed in that direction.

[WB2WIK]

It's the dang Flouride causing it.

Might be, but I actually think it's all the ham radio transmitters. For sure if I grab my antenna while transmitting, I feel local warming.

[AF6LJ]

Well, Sue, I hope you regard that as good news, the other end of the planet isn't in such good shape!

www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/08/arctic-sea-ice-minimum-2012/

uk.news.yahoo.com/arctic-cap-course-record-melt-us-scientists-211016227.html

And for a less sanguine view of your news item:

uk.news.yahoo.com/man-partly-blame-antarctic-ice-shelf-collapse-study-163418258.html

73

Brian G8ADD

I sleep well at night and have no fear Brian, how about you.
Sleeping well lately?

Thankfully Greenland will be returning to the state it was when the Vikings colonized it.
We need more arable land, to feed a hungry world.
We need more CO2 to feed the trees and plants to make for a greener Earth.
We need shorter shipping channels, we need a warmer world.
God bless us and bring a warmer world.
I love God given global warming and embrace it.
Man has no right to tax it, or the air we and the plants breathe.