Apple Cloud Burst - how tech writer Mat Honan lost his digital life

[KT1F]

But we shouldn't have to wait until this proverbial disgruntled employee becomes an ex-employee to know the truth

What method do you suggest that we use to find the truth?

We have Google's terms of service and privacy policy. If you have evidence that they do not tell the truth then what would you like to see happen?

[KA9JLM]

What method do you suggest that we use to find the truth?

We have Google's terms of service and privacy policy. If you have evidence that they do not tell the truth then what would you like to see happen?

Depending on your browser go to View/page source. (Code that Your Webpage browser is using)

Then do a Find "Google" the see what code they use. And also what code a site uses. Including the page you are on at this moment. Check out the Java Console also if you have it.

Trace it to get the true answer.

It is not all that hard to figure it out.

[KT1F]

I think we're on different channels talking about different things.

[KA9JLM]

I think we're on different channels talking about different things.

Oops.

I bumped my dial, I was on channel 19.

Sorry My mistake.

Meet you on channel 9.

[K6ABZ]

It is no big deal, If you like 20 connections being opened on your computer from who knows where and you like different IP address running Java on your machine, when You click on a website link. I do not care for it.

Yes it is script, what else would it be ?

Coffee is what hackers drink to get their day started for a good day before hosing your computer with Java.

What is not to get ?

What's not to get is that Java is NOT Javascript. The two are completely different languages and run on two completely different virtual machines. And to make matters more interesting, the Javascript interpreter in your browser is no the same as the Javascript on your computer that runs .js files.

[KA9JLM]

What's not to get is that Java is NOT Javascript. The two are completely different languages and run on two completely different virtual machines. And to make matters more interesting, the Javascript interpreter in your browser is no the same as the Javascript on your computer that runs .js files.

I guess I may have missed a class.

If you don't have Java installed on your computer then it will not run on the machine.

Many hackers run it on the server side.

It does not need to be a .JS or .JAR to harm your machine. It is HTML or a flavor of it.

If you delete your Java from your Control panel, or turn it off in your browser then it is not likely that you will go very far on a Windows machine.

Most people get the point, I think. JavaScript makes Java work just like Dos makes a .bat file work, only it is hidden.

What frequency are we on ?

Maybe I need to go back to school.
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[KT1F]

Java and Javascript (pronounced as a single three syllable word) are quite different. The common explanation for the Javascript name is that Netscape wanted to ride on the popularity of the Java name at the time.

Java is a full object orientated language developed by Sun Microsystems which has since been bought by Oracle. The word is also sometimes used to include the whole environment and framework that Java applications run in. The most visible use of Java on the web is (or was) Java applets. These are essentially small plugin type applications running in a browser. Java applets have declined in popularity. You really don't see many these days. I think some of the websdr sites are running Java applets. Java itself is still very popular in the corporate enterprise world, not necessarily involving the web. It's main competitor there is Microsoft C# and the whole .NET framework.

Javascript is a scripting language built-in to most web browsers. You don't need a plugin to run Javascript. It enables a web site to do dynamic things on the "client", i.e. the browser. For years, many or most programmers considered it a bit of a PITA to use. Differences between browsers and difficulty in debugging etc added to that.

In recent years, Javascript has made a huge comeback. Several open source libraries, most notably jQuery, have smoothed the edges and made it much nicer to use. Javascript is the essential part of Ajax which is used by modern web sites and applications to make changes on a page without refreshing the whole page. Javascript is not limited to the browser. It's also gaining popularity as a server technology with things like node.js.

[KD3NE]

Apple is the most stauch supporter of "cloud computing," where all your digital info is stored in some anonymous place on the web, and accessible via multiple devices.

I've noticed an awful lot of Cloud commercials, but odd that they were not Apple commercials.

I noticed them because, being an Apple user with over 20+ years of Microsoft Windows background ( including being an MCSE from back in the days of WinNT ), I thought .....bHey wait, isn't " The Cloud " an Apple thing?

Apparently that isn't the case.

Having said that, being a recovering Microsoft Addict and a current OSX user ..... I dislike and do not use Cloud computing!

[WA9SVD]

I've noticed an awful lot of Cloud commercials, but odd that they were not Apple commercials.

I noticed them because, being an Apple user with over 20+ years of Microsoft Windows background ( including being an MCSE from back in the days of WinNT ), I thought .....bHey wait, isn't " The Cloud " an Apple thing?

Apparently that isn't the case.

Having said that, being a recovering Microsoft Addict and a current OSX user ..... I dislike and do not use Cloud computing!

The "cloud" existed before Apple embraced it. I find it troubling, because clouds are ephemeral and vaporous, and can evaporate in an instant, along with any data stored there. I'd possibly trust a "cloud" for temporary storage, but not long-term data retention that's critical. I still want THAT backed up physically in my cold, dead hand...

[KY5U]

The cloud is another catch phrase to generate $$$. Build some buzz around something and get funded.