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 Originally Posted by KT1F
What do you mean? I'm a legal permanent resident. Not a US citizen but I don't consider myself a sheep. I think I have pretty much the same rights and obligations as you except for voting.
AND, if I am correct, you are legally required to carry "papers" on your person at all times whenever you are out in public.
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 Originally Posted by K4KYV
AND, if I am correct, you are legally required to carry "papers" on your person at all times whenever you are out in public.
Yes that's true. I forgot about that. I carry a card in my wallet. I've never had to show it.
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 Originally Posted by AJ4CU
We differ on some points but I think my stand is clear and see no need to keep bantering about on it, as for aliens, as far as I am concerned if they are not legal they have "ZERO" rights and should be hunted down and sent away, FAR AWAY! If legal then let them decide how they wish to live as a free American Citizen or a sheep...
I'm still not clear on your exact stand about some things. I see some clear logical contradictions in what you say about property rights and the capitalization of "citizen".
However, I can agree to this about illegal aliens: they should simply not be allowed in the country. Legal aliens are a completely different issue.
It should also be remembered that it is only relatively recently in the USA that adult citizens have had equal rights under the law.
 Originally Posted by AJ4CU
I sadly pay property taxes but I dispute the assesment twice per year ( luckily I have someone who does a value for me free of charge) and usually always get my way (I do this for my vehicles and boat also, personal property tax, or luxury/priveledge tax), they really hate to see me coming because I hassle them to no end...hey, they are paid by my tax money so in essence they are my employees and I treat them as such.
They are everyone's employees, not just yours.
I don't understand why you "sadly" pay taxes. After all, you use government services, and we all have to pay for them. Nobody likes paying taxes, but they're part of the responsibility of being a citizen.
 Originally Posted by AJ4CU
My ultimate point is do not give in to government! we the people make the rules and they know it, they just hate people like me who excersize his rights and domain over government...Live free or in bondage, your choice!
Just about everyone in the USA has the choice to stay where they are, or move. In the days when slavery was legal, the defining element was that a slave could NOT legally move away.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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Living in a HOA area is just like residing in a POW camp!
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 Originally Posted by AJ4CU
Charles,
My original statement still stands and I do not agree with your "Fix", maybe in your world things are as you say but I still live in a free country despite what many others think...Soon, very soon We the people will finally get tired of the abuse and put a stop to the madness!
I would like to think we live in a free country but everytime I go to the airport and even when I have to go through checkpoint charlie when I am leaving the walmart store, I am left wonding about what sort of freedom I have exactly...
....Paperz!.. do you have your paperz please?
Last edited by KC8VWM; 05-28-2012 at 07:46 AM.
73 de Charles - KC8VWM
North American QRP CW Club #3159, SKCC# 5752
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 Originally Posted by WA6MHZ
Living in a HOA area is just like residing in a POW camp!
No it isn't.
The folks in an HOA area can move away anytime they want to. All they need is money and the desire to do so.
POWs can't leave, and their sentence is indefinite.
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A ham friend of mine, who is now an SK, spent 18 months as "a guest of the Luftwaffe", as he put it. Same prison complex as "The Great Escape", although as an American he wasn't with the Brits.
He said that even though there was the Geneva Convention, they lived every day knowing that they could be killed by their captors.
Their most precious possession was a radio, because it told them of the progress of the war, and kept hope of freedom alive.
Please do not trivialize what he and others went through as prisoners. Particularly those whose captors did not abide by the Geneva Convention.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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 Originally Posted by KC8VWM
I would like to think we live in a free country but everytime I go to the airport and even when I have to go through checkpoint charlie when I am leaving the walmart store, I am left wonding about what sort of freedom I have exactly...
....Paperz!.. do you have your paperz please?
Would you rather that they did away with the security checks at the airports?
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I don't go to WalMart, so I don't know what they do.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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 Originally Posted by N2EY
I'm still not clear on your exact stand about some things. I see some clear logical contradictions in what you say about property rights and the capitalization of "citizen".
However, I can agree to this about illegal aliens: they should simply not be allowed in the country. Legal aliens are a completely different issue.
It should also be remembered that it is only relatively recently in the USA that adult citizens have had equal rights under the law.
They are everyone's employees, not just yours.
I don't understand why you "sadly" pay taxes. After all, you use government services, and we all have to pay for them. Nobody likes paying taxes, but they're part of the responsibility of being a citizen.
Just about everyone in the USA has the choice to stay where they are, or move. In the days when slavery was legal, the defining element was that a slave could NOT legally move away.
73 de Jim, N2EY
Jim,
I am curious, are you a citizen of the united states or a United States Citizen?
"Marconi Was The First LID!"
"Far better it is to tempt mighty things, than to take rank with those timid creatures that know neither victory or defeat!"
"Eleftheria h thanatos" (Greek for Freedom or Death)
"Molon Labe" (Greek, King Leonidas to the persians regarding their weapons "Come and Take Them!").
When the people fear the government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people there is liberty!
When seconds count, the police are mere minutes away.
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 Originally Posted by AJ4CU
Jim,
I am curious, are you a citizen of the united states or a United States Citizen?
There is no difference - except that "United States" should always be capitalized.
73 de Jim, N2EY
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 Originally Posted by N2EY
There is no difference - except that "United States" should always be capitalized.
73 de Jim, N2EY
There is a HUGE difference, look into it....
73 DE AJ4CU
Hari
"Marconi Was The First LID!"
"Far better it is to tempt mighty things, than to take rank with those timid creatures that know neither victory or defeat!"
"Eleftheria h thanatos" (Greek for Freedom or Death)
"Molon Labe" (Greek, King Leonidas to the persians regarding their weapons "Come and Take Them!").
When the people fear the government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people there is liberty!
When seconds count, the police are mere minutes away.
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