MEMORIAL DAY...

[KO6WB]

Originally Posted by KO6WB
I also have my issues with israel, what exactly do they give the US in return for the assistance we provide? All I can recall is them spying on us...Let them tend to themselves as well...

Must be one of those strange glitches in the system. I didn't post that.
Just clearing the record.
Have fun
73
Gary

P.S. Just watched 60 Minutes and they dedicated the show to the veterans of Iran and Afghanistan. It was a good show but again wrong day. They could have had stories about those that had fallen but they didn't go that way.

[NL7W]

Good point...

I'm just getting around to reading this thread, and found your obvious point rather telling.

Please remember the Fallen. They served all of us -- protecting our enjoyed freedoms.

"At any given time in the past decade, less than 1 percent of the American population has been on active military duty, compared with 9 percent of Americans who were in uniform in World War II. As a result, there is a growing generation gap, with younger Americans far less likely than older ones to have a family member who served."

Please -- let's not forget them.


Ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/us...ans-serve.html

Memorial day is about remembering FALLEN soldiers.

Veterans day is about honoring soldiers that DID NOT FALL in battle!

Something that is very confused these days. It amazed me, as a veteran, the company i used to work for would give me the day off honoring those who died in service to our country (understandable), but wouldn't give me the day off honoring those that didn't! Which I was one.

I work for someone else now. I get both days off.

[AJ4CU]

I would rather be dead than be a part of any country that would wipe out the entire world population of Islam, or any other religion. Attack the terrorists and those governments that would do us harm, yes. Defend ourselves, yes. But to defend, even partially, the Islamocide concept is totally contrary to Christian beliefs and everything this country supposedly stands for.

I simply want the world to know, especially in a cross cultural hobby like ours, that we don't all think like the poster who advocated killing all the followers of Islam.

Hey BOB,

Tell me, what did Joshua do with his army of isreal and the ark?
When your children are coming home from school with the tenets of islam being tought to them because the school disctricts cave in out of fear, then perhaps you will see the light, look at England for pete's sake they are changing many things in the educational system because islam dictates it so, not me .....I swore an oath to defend this country against all enemies etc.... and the only way to eliminate a threat is to eradicate it.
I suppose the near extinction of native americans was ok though?
Also I never said to kill all followers of islam, that is your inference...
The world will not know peace until there is no misguided faith (which most all terrorists use) for them to hide behind....

[AJ4CU]

You're making a couple of big mistakes there.

"Islam" isn't one big monolithic religion. Not even close. There's no Islamic pope, nor any unified hierarchy. At best there's the Koran and the Five Pillars, and some other common elements.

But Islam has many factions/sects/divisions, just like Christianity. Would you blame ALL "Christians" for what a few did? Would you lump together the Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Latter-Day Saints, Amish, Mennonites, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc., etc., etc., because they're all "Christians"?

Islam is at least as divided as Christianity, if not more so. Sunnis, Sufis, Shiites, Wahhabi and many more. And division after division within those groups. Some are aggressive, most are not, yet you blame the many for the actions of the very few. Many fight each other - look up the Iran-Iraq war, for example.

As far as "PAYBACK" goes, how many civilians do you think have died in Iraq and Afghanistan, compared to US civilians?

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." I seem to remember that Christians were told to seek peace and to forgive. Now who was it who said that....oh yeah, it was Jesus Christ Himself!

And consider that when an innocent civilian dies, s/he becomes a martyr and a reason to hate those who killed him/her.



The Israelis give us intelligence more than anything else. Often it's intelligence we'd not have gotten any other way.

You might be surprised at how little government aid we actually send to Israel. Less than $3 billion a year. We spend more than that on the Iraq and Afghan wars in a week!

73 de Jim, N2EY

I said what I said and that's explanation enough.....
And you say islam is fractioned like christianity? I don't see the folks at the First Baptist Church laying seige to the Episcopal church down the road, but I do see islamists killing each other like it was nothing, those people are like drug cartels, they have no feeling whatsoever for human life and kill indiscriminatley (not to mention how they treat women, have some pretty messed up views of the world and the list goes on), so one should be dealt with as one does, the middle east should be left to slug it out and we can sell tickets to watch, this way there will be little few left for us to eliminate.

[W5BIB]

I said what I said and that's explanation enough.....
And you say islam is fractioned like christianity? I don't see the folks at the First Baptist Church laying seige to the Episcopal church down the road, but I do see islamists killing each other like it was nothing, those people are like drug cartels, they have no feeling whatsoever for human life and kill indiscriminatley (not to mention how they treat women, have some pretty messed up views of the world and the list goes on), so one should be dealt with as one does, the middle east should be left to slug it out and we can sell tickets to watch, this way there will be little few left for us to eliminate.

That's (war) all they know in the middle East. Leave them be. Let GOD sort it all out.

[AD5MB]

39 years ago, when I was in basic training, we had a profound philosophical discussion of this very matter. one of us, who had been in the Army all week like the rest of us, said "If I die in combat I want y'all to remember me by barbecuing, having picnics, playing sports, and just generally acting like an American on a three day weekend"

he was right then, we all agreed. he's still right. feel free to honor the fallen by doing what makes you feel good on a pleasant summer day, because that IS what they died for.

[N2EY]

I said what I said and that's explanation enough.....

Not really. For example, you wrote this:

"I am for eliminating all islam from the face of the planet, call it islamocide.... "

That's a direct quote from you. Final Solution, anyone? The suffix "-cide" means "death" - just look at words like homicide, suicide, genocide....

And you say islam is fractioned like christianity?

Yes, it is. There are factions and groups with big differences between them.

I don't see the folks at the First Baptist Church laying seige to the Episcopal church down the road, but I do see islamists killing each other like it was nothing, those people are like drug cartels, they have no feeling whatsoever for human life and kill indiscriminatley (not to mention how they treat women, have some pretty messed up views of the world and the list goes on), so one should be dealt with as one does, the middle east should be left to slug it out and we can sell tickets to watch, this way there will be little few left for us to eliminate.

Look around "Christianity" and you'll see:

- folks in Northern Ireland fighting and killing each other because of the difference between Catholics and Protestants. Been going on a long time.

- Wars in Europe for centuries between "Christian" countries. Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain, etc. What they did to Jews was even worse (genocide), but there was plenty of Christians killing Christians.

- Wars in the USA. The Spanish-American war, the War Between the States, the Revolution, etc. 150 years ago, how many Christian churches in the USA said it was OK for some folks to own other folks as property?

- Go back further and check out the Inquisition, the Crusades, the wars in England over which church would be the official one, the Spanish "spreading the faith" to the Native Americans, and more.

Those who call themselves Christians are finally starting to behave themselves. But they have many centuries of misbehavior behind them. Including the treatment of women, intolerance of other faiths, and more.

My main point still stands: It is simply wrong to blame an entire group for the bad actions of a few extremists. Would you want all Christians to be judged by the actions of a few who burn crosses?

Of course it's easy to simply point at folks who are different and say "THEY'RE BAD! KILL THEM ALL!!!" rather than trying to understand a complex situation.

But I say that if someone would be known as a Christian, they should look at what He said and did, not at what folks hundreds and thousands of years before Him did.

And if you look at what He said and did, there wasn't any -cide words involved. Just the opposite - He helped anyone who asked, even Romans, tax collectors, Samaritans and worse.

If nothing else:

The USA is founded upon the ideals of tolerance, equality and the inherent rights of human beings. Not that the country has always lived up to those ideals, but that those are the foundation.

To call for the wholesale destruction of others simply because they're different is just....well......unAmerican.

73 de Jim, N2EY

[AJ4CU]

Not really. For example, you wrote this:

"I am for eliminating all islam from the face of the planet, call it islamocide.... "

That's a direct quote from you. Final Solution, anyone? The suffix "-cide" means "death" - just look at words like homicide, suicide, genocide....



Yes, it is. There are factions and groups with big differences between them.



Look around "Christianity" and you'll see:

- folks in Northern Ireland fighting and killing each other because of the difference between Catholics and Protestants. Been going on a long time.

- Wars in Europe for centuries between "Christian" countries. Germany, France, England, Italy, Spain, etc. What they did to Jews was even worse (genocide), but there was plenty of Christians killing Christians.

- Wars in the USA. The Spanish-American war, the War Between the States, the Revolution, etc. 150 years ago, how many Christian churches in the USA said it was OK for some folks to own other folks as property?

- Go back further and check out the Inquisition, the Crusades, the wars in England over which church would be the official one, the Spanish "spreading the faith" to the Native Americans, and more.

Those who call themselves Christians are finally starting to behave themselves. But they have many centuries of misbehavior behind them. Including the treatment of women, intolerance of other faiths, and more.

My main point still stands: It is simply wrong to blame an entire group for the bad actions of a few extremists. Would you want all Christians to be judged by the actions of a few who burn crosses?

Of course it's easy to simply point at folks who are different and say "THEY'RE BAD! KILL THEM ALL!!!" rather than trying to understand a complex situation.

But I say that if someone would be known as a Christian, they should look at what He said and did, not at what folks hundreds and thousands of years before Him did.

And if you look at what He said and did, there wasn't any -cide words involved. Just the opposite - He helped anyone who asked, even Romans, tax collectors, Samaritans and worse.

If nothing else:

The USA is founded upon the ideals of tolerance, equality and the inherent rights of human beings. Not that the country has always lived up to those ideals, but that those are the foundation.

To call for the wholesale destruction of others simply because they're different is just....well......unAmerican.

73 de Jim, N2EY

You clearly have no stomach for what it takes to cleanse the world of the ills that have befallen it, why do so many people hide behind the new testament?
I know all too well the history of christianity..
Again I state, I never said "KILL" anyone! trust me friend, I am not un American, I am very PRO AMERICAN!, I do not fear speaking my mind like many others who think the same, something the United States Marine Corps tought me!

[KO6WB]

We learn from our mistakes and during the 19th century we practiced genocide on the native population because they were different and we were better than them. Well different doesn't equate to better and we are still paying form our inappropriate actions on people we hardly understood. We had basically the same attitude toward the Soviet Union and we maneuvered and plot and tricked them in to dissolving into what is supposed to be a better system. At that time we didn't have multi-trillion dollar debts. The Soviet Union could not afford to compete with us any longer and it broke them. Is the result a good one? It's still too early to tell but for awhile they looked like they were doing better. Is Iraq any better with the actual war that was forced upon them? Time will tell.
We fight our country's battles with the hope and prayers that the world itself will be just a bit better and our way of life will continue to be one of the best.
Those that died for such goals did so to allow our country and the world to be a better place. Again only time will tell if this is happening. Just imagine it......
73
Gary

[N2EY]

You clearly have no stomach for what it takes to cleanse the world of the ills that have befallen it, why do so many people hide behind the new testament?

Hide behind the New Testament? What would you have them do?

Do you follow all the rules in the Old Testament? There are quite a few.

I know all too well the history of christianity..

Then why the double standard?

Again I state, I never said "KILL" anyone!

Then why use words like "islamocide"?

Here's that quote of yours again:

"I am for eliminating all islam from the face of the planet, call it islamocide.... "

If someone won't give up being a Muslim, what do you say should be done?

73 de Jim, N2EY