American Hero

[KI4NGN]

It has to do with the scale of the spying...
Also do you think these drones will end in a savings for the PD...
No they will want more and they will raise local taxes for more.
When was the last time you saw your tax bill drop?

Proposition 13 in your state did exactly that.

What scale of spying? It takes a person looking out the window, whether it be patrol car, helicopter, or drone.

I suppose that PVL will next advocate shooting at police helicopters and patrol cars.

When do police patrols become "spying"? Are you opposed to police patrols?

[N0SYA]

Sounds like a few here wish that they lived in a country like Somalia. No government, no military to speak of and no criminal justice system. You can walk around with your AK or RPG all day. You can rape, rob, kidnap and murder any one with no fear of being held accountable. you answer to no one, total freedom.

Keep in mind that our Government, Military and even the Police are made up PEOPLE just like you and I. They are our friends, neighbors and even family members. Yet you claim that our Government, Military and even the Police are now our enemy!

I say we take our least populated state, remove it form the Union allow any one who feels this way to claim a spot of land and move there. There will be no centralized government, no military and no criminal justice system. There will be no taxes, and no US tax dollars or programs will be provided. You can withdraw your citizenship from this horrible oppressive country we call the United States and live THERE as a sovereign citizen of whatever you personally chose to call your new country.

You can sit around the camp fire all night and sing cum bay ah.

If only the feral gubmit would watch me as I sleep I'd be comforted instead of sleeping in fits with worry about terists and terisms! If they just checked my drawers before I put them on, and checked my tv shows for me to make sure they were ferl gubmit approved. If only the feral gubmit would tell me how to live! Freedom and personal responsibility is bad and scary!

[N5PVL]

I think that Charles Krauthammer has pretty well shot down the idea of using drones on US citizens with his comment noting that the first patriot to shoot down one of them will be recognized as an American hero.

Now the feds know that there is a general "make my day" attitude out there concerning the use of drones to spy upon US citizens.

Judge Nepolitano (sp) put his finger on the sore point about unrestricted drone use here in the USA, when he reminded us that a warrant is required in order to legally utilize one of them.

Personally, I know how stupid cops tend to be, and I cringe at the thought of some drooling throwback in a police uniform being responsible for remotely piloting a dangerous piece of equipment over innocent people's heads. - It's a recipe for disaster, is what it is.

Highly trained Air Force personnel piloting a drone over a war zone is one thing... Bubba in a police uniform buzzing one around over an American city is something entirely different.

We'd have them crashing into buildings or electric lines and falling down on the folks below, whacking off arms and legs with the rotors, being used to spy on nekkid women who thought that they had a reasonable expectation of privacy in a fenced-in yard, drunken joybuzzing, harassment of ex-wives and their boyfriends, drone races, etc. etc. etc...

It's only limited by the dim imagination of some stupid cop, somewhere.

Using drones against US citizens is one of those particularly, spectacularly dumb ideas that only a sufferer of authoritarianism disorder could love.

We will all be much better off if the idea is dropped now, while the drones are still only being shot down in a figurative sense.

Some will have to learn the hard way though... - A few always do.

( Rubbing hands together in frank anticipation. )

[N5PVL]

Sounds like a few here wish that they lived in a country like Somalia. No government, no military to speak of and no criminal justice system. You can walk around with your AK or RPG all day. You can rape, rob, kidnap and murder any one with no fear of being held accountable. you answer to no one, total freedom.

Keep in mind that our Government, Military and even the Police are made up PEOPLE just like you and I. They are our friends, neighbors and even family members. Yet you claim that our Government, Military and even the Police are now our enemy!

I say we take our least populated state, remove it form the Union allow any one who feels this way to claim a spot of land and move there. There will be no centralized government, no military and no criminal justice system. There will be no taxes, and no US tax dollars or programs will be provided. You can withdraw your citizenship from this horrible oppressive country we call the United States and live THERE as a sovereign citizen of whatever you personally chose to call your new country.

You can sit around the camp fire all night and sing cum bay ah.

If you prefer a police state, my best advice for you is to move far, far away from the United States.

Maybe you could try out Venezuela, they're nationalizing everything that isn't nailed down there, and shutting down any media or press that dares to complain. - It's perfect for you!

All of that security.

You know what they say about that...

Those who would exchange freedom for security deserve - and get - neither one of them.

I will add:

Those who would reduce the freedom of others in order to advance their personal security deserve mob justice.

[KA5S]

Headline:
DHS Doesn’t Want Its New Spy Drones


Cortland
KA5S
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...wanted-drones/

[KI4NGN]

If you prefer a police state, my best advice for you is to move far, far away from the United States.

Maybe you could try out Venezuela, they're nationalizing everything that isn't nailed down there, and shutting down any media or press that dares to complain. - It's perfect for you!

All of that security.

You know what they say about that...

Those who would exchange freedom for security deserve - and get - neither one of them.

I will add:

Those who would reduce the freedom of others in order to advance their personal security deserve mob justice.

So I'm guessing that you don't want any police patrols in your neighborhood unless their are crooks slinking around. Hmmm... wonder how they'll know that?

[AF6LJ]

Sorry, Sue, that's ridiculous. How much privacy are you entitled to in a public place? The cameras feed to split screens and have just enough resolution to pick up accidents, illnesses, overt crimes like muggings, and public disorder offences like drunken brawls, also to help with crowd control when things are very busy such as the peak of christmas shopping. There is no impact on freedom, our freedoms are in no way inferior to yours - in fact when it comes to things like the "right to roam" you have something to learn from us!

73

Brian G8ADD

And you know this how?
Sorry no privacy no freedom.
Considering we have governments founded on different sets of rules I don't expect you to see the connection.

[AF6LJ]

Proposition 13 in your state did exactly that.

That was something thirty nine years ago and only applies to homes sold before the effectivity date of that law.

What scale of spying? It takes a person looking out the window, whether it be patrol car, helicopter, or drone.

I suppose that PVL will next advocate shooting at police helicopters and patrol cars.

When do police patrols become "spying"? Are you opposed to police patrols?

Actually I am apposed to police patrols that look over my fence and into my windows.
I object to someone in code enforcement using that data without a warrant.
Or animal control that might get nosy because I have six of my eight allowed dogs.

[KI4NGN]

That was something thirty nine years ago and only applies to homes sold before the effectivity date of that law.

You asked when have taxes ever been lowered and I responded.

Actually I am apposed to police patrols that look over my fence and into my windows.
I object to someone in code enforcement using that data without a warrant.
Or animal control that might get nosy because I have six of my eight allowed dogs.

I'm with you, they should not be looking in your windows.

I have no problem with helicopters who may see into your fenced yard and see someone looking or breaking into your windows and you don't even know it.

There is a difference between patrolling and being singled out, whether it is from the ground or air, but some can't distinguish between the two.

PVL is ignorant. He mentioned cops who don't know what they're doing in control of drones. Do the police put people into helicopters who don't know what they're doing? Why isn't it obvious to him that the police would use people with the drones who know what they're doing? The only difference between a drone and a helicopter is the cost and where the observer is sitting.

[K9ASE]

Sounds like a few here wish that they lived in a country like Somalia. No government, no military to speak of and no criminal justice system. You can walk around with your AK or RPG all day. You can rape, rob, kidnap and murder any one with no fear of being held accountable. you answer to no one, total freedom.

Keep in mind that our Government, Military and even the Police are made up PEOPLE just like you and I. They are our friends, neighbors and even family members. Yet you claim that our Government, Military and even the Police are now our enemy!

I say we take our least populated state, remove it form the Union allow any one who feels this way to claim a spot of land and move there. There will be no centralized government, no military and no criminal justice system. There will be no taxes, and no US tax dollars or programs will be provided. You can withdraw your citizenship from this horrible oppressive country we call the United States and live THERE as a sovereign citizen of whatever you personally chose to call your new country.

You can sit around the camp fire all night and sing cum bay ah.

I prefer a balance. Honorable men have done horrible things because their government asked them to. (Think German soldiers during WWII). They did these things believing they were improving their nation and the world only to feel shame later. Our country was born from the desire to escape a tyrannical government. The founders saw it imperative to provide tools in our constitution so that we could keep another tyrannical government from forming. This means that they too realized that no man was above reproach, and it was the citizens job to be the ultimate check on government. I don't fear the police or our military, I support them. I do however expect them to hold to the oath the swear. That means they are to protect and defend the constitution. That means they can't invade my privacy or enter my home without a warrant. If they do they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.