Ashamed to live in NC

[AB2T]

Barbara Bush might have been "handsome" but that is no reason for a shot like this.

this made my morning. XD

73, Jordan

[KI4NGN]

But you know they are going to try and make a civil rights issue.
They are trying to make a privilege, implied by the fact you have to get a license....
You don't need a license to exercise your rights.

You only need the license if you want the state to recognize your marriage. Anyonwe cann say that they made a committment to each other and are now married; nothing stopping them. But if you want the legal benefits of that union, which includes your "rights" should the union not last, then you need the legal recognition, and that requires getting the license.

[KI4NGN]

Apparently you are more interested in political correctness than in accuracy.

Really now, you have no recollection of prominent news items involving gay-related pedophilia?

This is how it works. - You can "love" or "hate" something all that you want to - but that doesn't change the facts related to that thing.

Making arguments on an emotional basis is OK I suppose, but you are only going to impress those who share the same emotional bias. - It leaves the folks who are serious about discussing the issue kind of nonplussed, as there is no substance to emotional arguments ( known as a 'special appeal" in debating terms ) , as far as rational discussion goes.

I haven't run across any gay people that I have particularly disliked either - but that doesn't warp reality somehow, destroying my ability to discriminate or judge based upon facts as opposed to feelings.

Fact is - that there is a clear connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. If you will look into it, you will discover that they are so similar in a legal sense that it is quite difficult to legalize one without eventually ending up legalizing the other.

Then there is NAMBLA to consider. - Do you know of any other group who gets a pass on pedophilia like that - through sheer political correctness?

If nothing else, it tells us a lot about political correctness.

There is only one word that describes your comments:

Ignorant.

I was going to justfiy that comment, but there's no point. Ignorance will always fight to stay that way.

[KI4NGN]

.......It's all about themselves... pushing, flaunting, and forcing their aberration onto the rest of us... nothing more, nothing less.

Is that the problem, you're all afraid that they're going to try to get you to switch teams? Afraid they'll try, or afraid some will succeed? LOL

Otherwise, what is it that they're trying to force upon you other than to accept that they exist and have the same rights that you do?

[KI4NGN]

I don't know any gays and I like it that way. I think I have seen one or two. They walk and talk and dress strangely. They give me the creeps.
K2WH

You don't think you know any. I'd be surprised if you didn't but just don't know it. Look at how you feel about it. Do you think any who were would admit it to you? And Bill, they all most certainly do not walk and talk and dress "strangely". LOL

[KI4NGN]

Your response is and was completely predictable and is in the liberal playbook. Does it occur to you that man on man sex goes against nature and all traditional values for thousands of years? "Afraid of" is also a typical response. I propose, you are afraid of me and my response. Are you gay?

K2WH

Then why has it been around for thousands of years? LOL

It's not a liberal playbook, but an educated and realistic playbook that is not based upon one set of primarily religous morals.

And Bill, you know damn well that I am not gay! Remember always wanting to get a peek at Karen? LOL

[AC4UT]

You don't think you know any. I'd be surprised if you didn't but just don't know it. Look at how you feel about it. Do you think any who were would admit it to you? And Bill, they all most certainly do not walk and talk and dress "strangely". LOL

I think he was referring to time share salesmen.

[N2EY]

Your response is and was completely predictable and is in the liberal playbook.

Nope. Not at all.

Does it occur to you that man on man sex goes against nature and all traditional values for thousands of years?

Goes against nature? According to who? Read some of the above posts about the behavior observed in some farm animals.

As for "traditional values" - whose traditional values? You'd be surprised what have passed for "traditional values" at various times and places.

In any event, humans today do lots of things that are "against nature" and "traditional values", yet they're perfectly legal and accepted.

"Afraid of" is also a typical response. I propose, you are afraid of me and my response.

Not at all. I simply don't see a logical base for intolerance of people who are slightly different.

"Traditional values" have oppressed all sorts of people for millenia, due to color, ethnicity, religion, gender and many other factors. Doesn't make them right.

Are you gay?

Nope, not in the slightest.

Why do you ask? What does it matter?

Most important:

How are you harmed if same-gender couples are allowed to form legal civil unions?

73 de Jim, N2EY

[WF7A]

Same sex and marriage is a non-starter and a oxymoron. Homosexuality is an abomination; wrong and a mental problem. It is only in the news because of politics. It doesn't belong in politics.

Well it certainly doesn't belong in the closet--it's too late for that.

It has to be belong in politics since, evidently, it'll take an Act of Congress to give them the same rights "straights" have...which are l-o-n-g overdue.

Barbara Bush might have been "handsome" but that is no reason for a shot like this.

+1

You folks do know we had a gay president right?

Yup--James Buchanan. ...and don't forget the lesbian First Lady, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Bet y'all didn't know that the ham airwaves are FULL of "homos"--all it takes is a short listen on HF to hear them: homodyne (verb). (At first I thought homodyning was when you took a gay person out for dinner. *ba dum dum*)


...and finally, IB4TL!

[AB2T]

You folks do know we had a gay president right?

I'll take the bait. Some say that James Buchanan, the 15th president of the United States and immediate predecessor to Abraham Lincoln, was gay. This conjecture is based on the fact that Mr. Buchanan, a lifelong bachelor, was roommates with William R. King, the 13th VP of the USA, for quite some time. Some contemporary historians speculate from period hearsay that Buchanan and King were "domestic partners". Saith Wikipedia.

I don't really see how this is important if indeed it's true. It's generally thought that Buchanan was a poor president in a period just before a great national upheaval (the Civil War). Certain significant events happened during his administration (Dred Scott, Bleeding Kansas). Whether or not Buchanan had a gay relationship is not really relevant in the grand sweep of American history. Besides, the terms "gay" and "homosexual" did not exist then, so it's not a good idea to project these terms into the past. Just because the modern terms for the phenomenon were in use then doesn't mean that there weren't homosexuals. It's just that our current views on politics, gender, sexuality, etc. can't be projected farther back in time than their coinage.

I thought the "was Lincoln gay?" historical speculation to be really stupid. Okay, so young Lincoln lived in a apartment with another man? I actually live in a 19th century barn which was renovated into a house. It now has insulation, central HVAC, etc., but during the renovation one could see one-half to one-inch notches in the plank walls. This place was COLD in the winter before it was properly insulated! The Franklin stove was invented to convert wood fireplaces into primitive in-room furnaces. Once, on a tour of an old Boston home which is now a Federal museum, the tour guide noted that the residents were excited to have Franklin stoves in their bedrooms for the winter because the stove raised the ambient room temperature to around 50 deg F. Imagine how cold the room was _without_ a convection stove!

Having additional body heat in an unheated log cabin or plank house was a good idea before central everything.

73, Jordan