You might be a LID if...

[W0DV]

The topic of "Lids" shouldn't of been brought up. Everyone knows what "issues" will rise, and how this thread will end. This is a troll thread from the start. Just another trip to the vomitorium.

I will grant that some lessons weren't learned well. Only nerves Iobserved being "hit" were because of inaccuraciess with your"list"..
Your little mistakes were pointed out to you but you still dont acknowledgethem.. ok It's a big world.. In your world, "lidish" things
are a bit different than in a larger group of more experienced hams. We canlive with that.

[K4EMQ]

When you keep yelling "UP UP UP" and I think the DX maybe saying my call under you........And your car looks like a police car.....

[NI7I]

I'll have to agree with you there.. I guess I bit on the troll bait.. I wasnt going to use the "t" word, but it does seem to fit.

The topic of "Lids" shouldn't of been brought up. Everyone knows what "issues" will rise, and how this thread will end. This is a troll thread from the start. Just another trip to the vomitorium.

[W0DV]

When you keep yelling "UP UP UP" and I think the DX maybe saying my call under you........And your car looks like a police car.....

OK I give up....what the hell are you talking about? lol

[KG0UFO]

I don't want the LID topic buried, I'm enjoying reading it. I think we kid ourselves when we think that LIDs are not becomng more of a problem. I hear more and more each day on air. Yes, it is good that many of them hang on a certain frequency and share their bad habits with each other, but when they wander, we sometimes hear and experience them. By the way, I found a buried Lid once, attached to an old Prince Albert can. It was in the dirt under the Old Valiton Hotel in Fairplay, CO. It got buried after the fire the hotel had long ago. I enjoyed finding that Lid... 73

[NW9R]

Just some food for thought - antenna analyzers do put a carrier through the antenna. It's just a very low power carrier.

Very true and if you have a ham neighbor a few miles away trying to work that rare weak DX station on the first night he ever has even been able to hear the DX, then yes, you will likely be jamming him from hearing the DX....

Best to use resonant antennas and then an antenna analyzer becomes like a soldering iron. You only break it out when needed to check or repair something...

Can do similar functions with a grid dip oscillator BTW>

[NW9R]

I think at least, better then being referred to as a weenie....

[K4EMQ]

When in qso on cw you copy his name as L when it is Ed. When he says solid copy and you get mad because you think he said so lid copy.

[N7GH]

I think I am somewhere in the middle also. But there should be regulation. The people who don't want regulation should stay with the CB hobby where they belong. I've been a ham since 1994, and I'm surprised that the FCC hasn't put a stop to what is happening on the frequency on the high end of 20 M. If one of those "hams" lived in my neighborhood, they would be seeing my face a lot, guaranteed.

I agree... lack of OO's? I kinda doubt that though. It's not just 20 either: I was on 40M one night and hooked into a nice 6 state ragchew--a very nice group of people--we started to yammer on and check to see that we all had verified QSO from each others part of the states when we were inundated by music, swearing, tones, and about any thing you can think of going over the air. As it turns out, one of the gentlemen in the group explained that his neighbor does this all the time--he's not a HAM, but for some reason delights in harassing the HAM on the air. Had he been reported? Many times, but yet nobody was interested in enforcement.

Aside from watching to see when he leaves, and then pinning his coax, what else can be done?

[N7GH]

I will grant that some lessons weren't learned well. Only nerves Iobserved being "hit" were because of inaccuraciess with your"list"..
Your little mistakes were pointed out to you but you still dont acknowledgethem.. ok It's a big world.. In your world, "lidish" things
are a bit different than in a larger group of more experienced hams. We canlive with that.

You know you're never going to convince me that your changing of what I said and then getting mad about it is an inaccuracy in the list, nor will you ever convince me that you "need a KW to talk 30 miles away on HF"--that is simply a LID-ism as I described in the list. I regularly talk 30 miles away on 20M, 40M, and 80M... I'll admit, 10M is not a good fit on the 30 miles away attempt, but then, you can switch bands and talk very easily... forcing more power when a simple band change would be more appropriate is just a LID-ism.

Oh, I will add that I had a very difficult time talking to a local club member contact 30 miles way on 20, but he thought it might be his antenna--he checked it with his analyzer and found it was a horrible beast, so he replaced it with a yagi... now we chat noise free on 20 year round--on 100 Watts. And heresy of all heresies: he's horizontally polarized and my antenna is vertically polarized to boot! And we're both 9+ on the meter.

You know the 30 miles was chosen specifically because it's not far enough to normally get refracted signals and does go to show HF can be used a close in contact and not have to force high power. There are time when legal limit power may be needed, but what I have described in the LID-ism list is not one of them.