Climate Change And Alarmists

[G8ADD]

[COLOR=#000080 I never, ever, exerted influence on the scientists I supported who were involved in the IPCC. However, the people I worked for ( I call them political operators, some were political appointees and some merely enamored with the people above them ), those people did try to exert influence on the IPCC process. In my experience they were not very successful, because most of the world-class scientists we worked with had too much integrity. Exert political pressure and they would decline our funding and find funding from some other agency.

Bottom line ( in my opinion ) --- most IPCC reports represent an international scientific consensus so that no individual scientist and no individual government can compromise the results. The extensive peer review process tends to take a while, but the "kooky" bits tend to fall out in the process.

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I must confess that I am a little relieved that your opinion of the IPCC reports are in line with mine!

By the way, I am familiar with a different version of your last tag - Why be difficult when with a little more effort you can be absolutely bl***y impossible!

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Brian G8ADD

[G8ADD]

Open eyes and a historical and political understanding of peoples, societies and their deviousness, together with plain old common sense, allow most INTJ's (like myself, comprising approximately 1% of the population), to cut through macro BS.


Care to make any of your own, where we could compare notes in 10, 15 or 25 years down the road?

Until your post I had never heard of INTJ, I did some digging on the web and was intrigued to find that I am the same type. My intuitions on the subject are opposite to yours, but this is no surprise as I believe intuition to be a gestalt summation of one's knowledge and experience applied to a situation. There is nothing magical about it, and its reliability is governed by the mental resources that you power it with.

It would be difficult for me to summarise my predictions as they are not clear-cut and linear. I have more of a sort of field of predictions responding to events - for instance a very strong El Nino event in the next few years on the one hand, and a Krakatao class or larger eruption on the other. Both would have a marked effect on the climate but both would fade out after a few years, but one would make warming look greater than it is, the other would make it look as if cooling had set in...for a while.

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Brian G8ADD

[N4UP]

I must confess that I am a little relieved that your opinion of the IPCC reports are in line with mine!

By the way, I am familiar with a different version of your last tag - Why be difficult when with a little more effort you can be absolutely bl***y impossible!

73

Brian G8ADD

Yes, it is hard to argue against an international consensus of some very smart and caring people. I believe the UK and Europe are very well-represented in the IPCC and that the European approach to climate research is rather well-organized and effective, while the US approach is more chaotic ( you wouldn't believe how many different US agencies fund research in atmospheric physics and chemistry, and compete with one another ) but also effective but in a different way. Sometimes you really need to look at something in various different ways in order to see what is really there.

I don't know where that last tag came from, though I now suspect your version might be closer to the original than mine. By-the-way, I am English; my family emigrated in 1956. I grew up in a village in Essex though it is now part of Greater London.

[N2EY]

"Some of us still get all weepy when we think about the Gaia Hypothesis, the idea that earth is a big furry goddess-creature who resembles everybody's mom in that she knows what's best for us. But if you look at the historical record -- Krakatoa, Mt. Vesuvius, Hurricane Charley, poison ivy, and so forth down the ages -- you have to ask yourself: Whose side is she on, anyway?"

--Barbara Ehrenreich

73 de Jim, N2EY

[N5PVL]

Yes, it is hard to argue against an international consensus of some very smart and caring people. I believe the UK and Europe are very well-represented in the IPCC and that the European approach to climate research is rather well-organized and effective, while the US approach is more chaotic ( you wouldn't believe how many different US agencies fund research in atmospheric physics and chemistry, and compete with one another ) but also effective but in a different way. Sometimes you really need to look at something in various different ways in order to see what is really there.

I don't know where that last tag came from, though I now suspect your version might be closer to the original than mine. By-the-way, I am English; my family emigrated in 1956. I grew up in a village in Essex though it is now part of Greater London.

Whenever I read about an "an international consensus of some very smart and caring people" then I know that progressives/socialists are being described. - The irony of course being that these elitist individuals wouldn't know "smart or caring" if it slapped them upside the head.

[KT1F]

Whenever I read about an "an international consensus of some very smart and caring people" then I know that progressives/socialists are being described.

What if you heard a group described as stupid and uncaring. Would that imply anything about their political views?

[N4UP]

Whenever I read about an "an international consensus of some very smart and caring people" then I know that progressives/socialists are being described. - The irony of course being that these elitist individuals wouldn't know "smart or caring" if it slapped them upside the head.

N5PVL --- You are of course entitled to your opinion, and can infer whatever you like, but I know quite a few of the IPCC authors, maybe a dozen or so, personally. I worked with them and provided funding for them, for many years ( 1990-2005 ). And the ones I know are not elitist and they are both smart and caring. Note that I said "some" because I was only referring to people I know. And none of the authors I know have expressed "progressive/socialist" political views. Perhaps you would care to meet some of them and get to know them before passing such judgments.

[G8ADD]

Whenever I read about an "an international consensus of some very smart and caring people" then I know that progressives/socialists are being described. - The irony of course being that these elitist individuals wouldn't know "smart or caring" if it slapped them upside the head.

There speaks a man who reduces everything to the flavour of his own reactionary politics...note the buzz-word "elitist", which is the mantra of envy, note the denigration of learning and intelligence, the failure to notice that we are talking about eminent scientists, who may not be "Smart" (such an evil little word in the hands of the politically motivated) but by damn, they are intelligent beyond the reach of his mind!

Not all scientists are socialists or even Democrats...check its the right button before allowing it to be pressed.

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Brian G8ADD