7175 khz and General Class Licensees

[ND6M]

Wanna bet this person just memorized the practice tests? Unfortunately with our current system that's what you get. People who get licenses and don't even know where they can and cannot transmit.

I really don't follow your logic,...
it doesn't matter if you really LEARNED the material, or used a BASH book, or a Gordon West, ect type reference,
............... one of the items that MUST be MEMORIZIED is band privildeges. there is no other method .

[WA9SVD]

I really don't follow your logic,...
it doesn't matter if you really LEARNED the material, or used a BASH book, or a Gordon West, ect type reference,
............... one of the items that MUST be MEMORIZIED is band privildeges. there is no other method .

If band plans and license class limitations are NOT memorized, it's essential to at least consult a chart or other list to insure one is within permitted frequencies. Other than that is a poor excuse, but not a reason to operate beyond one's license privileges.

[W0UZR]

Year after year it never changes. You'd think that some things would get old after a while and dissapear altogether. But not here. People still Psss and moan.

How is it that when I started my HF carreer I already knew that my signal on SSB was up to 3 kc's wide? And if I knew that, then I knew my signal would be out of band if I ''Parked'' right on the edge of my band limits. But there are some that won't figure that out. A person might not be thinking how far away from either side of his conversation that he can be heard, so that's understandable. I just stay 3 kc's away from either edge of the band, then I know I'm safe. Then I don't have to get chewed out by you.

[NY7Q]

n5cey why don't you just turn in your ticket.....I got your point, and you are part of the problem with ham radio.....

[WA9SVD]

Guess I'd better put a governer on my son's car in case he tries to go over 55mph ...oh crap, what about in town where it's 45, or 35, or 30, or 20 in school zones - too many govrners - Oh, wait, he has a license, he knows what the rules are - not my problem if he speeds, he gets the ticket. Get the point?

That says a lot about the example you've set and the standards you've provided during his formative years.

[K4KYV]

...after answering a CQ I usually do a QRZ.com lookup of the call for the operator's name and qth and other info. I do have a subscription for the QRZ database plus a I have bookmarked the FCC lookup page.

I got my Extra in 1963, years before the incentive licensing nonsense. It was just a piece of wallpaper (a real commercial-looking licence certificate issued by the FCC) that carried no additional operating privileges. When incentive licensing was passed, I was thankful that I already had full amateur privileges, and didn't have to worry about all those new sub-bands and sub-sub bands, so I have always operated anywhere my licence allows without paying any attention to which licence-class segment I'm in. I don't play kilocycle kop and look up the licence class of hams I work to see if they are in their legal part of the band. That's their obligation, not my concern. If they call me on my frequency, I work them. It's their responsibility to make sure they are on a frequency their licence allows.

[WA9SVD]

I got my Extra in 1963, years before the incentive licensing nonsense. It was just a piece of wallpaper (a real commercial-looking licence certificate issued by the FCC) that carried no additional operating privileges. When incentive licensing was passed, I was thankful that I already had full amateur privileges, and didn't have to worry about all those new sub-bands and sub-sub bands, so I have always operated anywhere my licence allows without paying any attention to which licence-class segment I'm in. I don't play kilocycle kop and look up the licence class of hams I work to see if they are in their legal part of the band. That's their obligation, not my concern. If they call me on my frequency, I work them. It's their responsibility to make sure they are on a frequency their licence allows.

I completely agree. It's up to the other operator to make sure they are within their license privileges. If I look up a station while I'm in contact, it's to find their location or determine a beam heading, not "police" the bands As long as <<I>> am within the privileges of my license, I don't feel an obligation or some (perverted?) need to guarantee the other station is within their privileges. THAT is not in §Part 97. If I were otherwise aware that another operator was operating out of their privilege, I'd remind them and cut the contact short, but that's usually a remote and very infrequent occurrence.

[KO6WB]

Like some of the postings here I do not go to the computer and look up any information with the intent to find a fault with someone I contact. There is the matter that if your contact mentions something that is clearly a violation of the rules then it is up to a responsibile operator to enlighten the violator. If you simply ignore it then you're part of the problem. It is incumbent upon all amateurs to have knowledge of the rules and can assist those that violate them to understand what they did. It is up to the experienced to give those lacking in it the benefit of the knowledge that has been accumulated. You also have to pass that knowledge in a manner that is constructive and makes for better amateurs. Not everybody is up to that task but most are. It is our responsibility and trying to push it off on the FCC will only make them want to reconsider the usefulness of amateur radio. Sure in really bad cases where the violator continues with that type of operation and nothing seems to work, then contact with the FCC is mandated. If we only report real problems and not just petty occurances the FCC may be more inclined to take action. Currently the FCC receives far too many complaints that to their way of thinking is just not worthy of their limited resources to do anything about it.
We have to figure out how to resolve our own problems with the limited resources amateurs have. It's part of being an amateur. You did sign a statement that you understood the rules and regulations contained in Part 97. You did do that and you have read the rules haven't you?
There are some that flagrantly thumb their noses at Part 97. They should be isolated and allowed to seek others that share their point of view. They do that exact thing but most of us know where those operators hang out. Usually it is best to find the folks that share the proper point of view.
Now, for the person that takes it upon themselves to write down the call letter of each and every violator. What are you going to do with it? Send it to the FCC where it will be regarded as a petty complaint and an unnecessary interruption of their time? Perhaps you take to bed each night and view your list as glorious and substained efforts on your part to cleanup amateur radio?
There are those that actually have that responsibility, they are called Offical Observers, or OO. That is where somebody that wants to make a difference can go to try. While it is true that OO notifications have no weight, they are none the less, a manner of putting pressure on the operators that are not doing the right things. The OO can also compliment a good operator. Perhaps this is not being done enough.
Just some thoughts
73
Gary

P.S. I thought it interesting that it took until posting #44 to catch the 7125 to 7300 as being the correct 40 meter advanced/amateur extra class phone allocation.

P.P.S. Hey K6BBC you missed posting #39. Just saying!

[K9STH]

Although the ARRL Official Observer program is generally a very good thing, occasionally there is a "bad apple" in the bunch. This ranges from someone who is technically inept to someone who has a personal vendetta against several individuals. From time to time, there have been some legitimate complaints here on QRZ.com, and on other sites, for the latter.

As for the former, someone who is technically inept, I relate to the only OO card that I have received in 53-years of operating. This particular individual, who was located in the mid-west, was newly appointed and was sending out OO cards, right and left, for stations being outside of the 40-meter band. In less than a month, he sent out over 1000 cards! Not one of the stations receiving the OO card was outside of the band. The problem was that this OO was using a single-conversion receiver, with a 455 kHz i.f., and was receiving the image which was 910 kHz away from the actual frequency. Some operators tried contacting the OO directly but to no avail. Other operators tried contacting the ARRL by mail. Still no positive response. Finally, several operators telephoned the ARRL and finally got some attention. I don't know exactly what happened, but, the OO cards from this particular individual immediately ceased.

Glen, K9STH

[WA4KCN]

I got my Extra in 1963, years before the incentive licensing nonsense. It was just a piece of wallpaper (a real commercial-looking licence certificate issued by the FCC) that carried no additional operating privileges. When incentive licensing was passed, I was thankful that I already had full amateur privileges, and didn't have to worry about all those new sub-bands and sub-sub bands, so I have always operated anywhere my licence allows without paying any attention to which licence-class segment I'm in. I don't play kilocycle kop and look up the licence class of hams I work to see if they are in their legal part of the band. That's their obligation, not my concern. If they call me on my frequency, I work them. It's their responsibility to make sure they are on a frequency their licence allows.

In 1976 a friend of mine WN4OUT received a warning letter from the FCC his CW signal was 800 Hz out of the novice band and into the general portion of the band. He was using a Swan 500 CX. Better DX was to be found just outside the novice portion so he pushed the limits. One month later he received an FCC fine for operating again 800 HZ out of band. The fine in 1976 was $250.00. His father WB4GIN (SK) paid the fine and Chip receivied a spanking - true story.

I believe in the self policing (neighborhood watch) mindset surrounding amateur radio. That means I have a responsibility to notify another radio ham who is operating outside of his license authorization. He may very well be unaware of his mistake. New licensees are learning from others wheather the rules and regulations have meaning or not.