Going Too Far

[KI4NGN]

The case embodies all of the above.
So I am discussing both.

You might want to go and read the decision the court handed down and you will find the facts of the man's ordeal who sparked this case in the first place.

Have you read the court decision yet?
Do you think the man has the right to be compensated for being unlawfully detained?

By the way did you answer my questions posed in that other thread?

As already stated, I think it reasonable and even desirable to search all people being admitted into the general population of a jail or prison. Whether or not they should have been there is a totally different issue.

Read the thread.

[KI4NGN]

I think this is yet another case of the fed's hidden agenda. What follows is an excerpt of an Editorial I wrote about a year ago:

Dr. H. Peter Metzger, WØKUF/W2ZZC, and I used to meet regularly with a bunch of other amateur at My Brother's Bar in Denver. The philosophical discussions covered about every subject know to man.

One of those conversations brought up a thought which I had been tossing about in my gray matter for some time, so I voiced it. I theorized that every human being has what I referred to as a singular genius. It is something a specific person can do (typically mentally), that almost no one else can do. From the look on Pete's face, it was as if he had just had an epiphanic moment. I don't know why, but this lead to an expansion of the theory wherein a bunch of geniuses, would have a singular purpose. I didn't know it at the time, but he was in the process of writing a pamphlet for the Public Service Company, called The Coercive Utopians: Their Hidden Agenda. It was the first of many he wrote dedicated to exposing how certain complex laws designed to regulate technology are really hidden agendas for extremist politics. The subtitle of the pamphlet says it all; Government-funded Activism: Hiding behind the public interest.

And this seems yet another case of opinion expressed as innuendo stated to support yet another conspiracy theory.

[KC2UGV]

And this seems yet another case of opinion expressed as innuendo stated to support yet another conspiracy theory.

Surprised?

[KI4NGN]

That generally doesn't happen between us!

It fascinates me that some people who are are fervent advocates of their rights to "freedom," "liberty," and such will accept almost any imposition on those rights if it is placed by someone with a badge. It also fascinates me that some people who are sensitive to "big government" and "judicial activism" welcome them in service of their own aims. 'Tis a puzzlement.

And what imposition on your rights have you had to endure? Any experience, or just taking the opinions of others as fact?

[KI4NGN]

SYA ,
Because of those that can not see the encroachment and support this kind of action .
When and if they finally wake up , it will be too late , the old " I Told You So " factor .
If we luck out and the worse does not happen , its still better to fight the loss of freedoms at all levels .
When Freedom Is Out Lawed , Only Outlaws will be Free .
Minds are like parachutes , they only function when open .
a couple of my favorites
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Yes, some of your are just so much smarter than the rest of us.

Tell me, just what action is it that you are referring to when you say " support this kind of action", and just what do you believe it encroaches upon?

[KI4NGN]

Odd. For a "no politics" rule being in effect, we sure get a whole lot of political threads here...

Discussion about government and law enforcement authority does not have to be political, and this thread is certainly not, at least from the persepctive that was banned from this site: political parties, specific people, etc.

[NC5P]

A bench warrant is not always vacated directly after the fine is paid in full, an arrangement is made to make payments, or whatever the case may be. When one goes to take care of a bench warrant they will be given a receipt and should be instructed to keep it on their person to prove that the warrant is no longer valid and that paperwork may still be processing. Not doing so would be a compliance failure on the recipients part.

That aside, I would feel awful if an innocent person was put through the loops that a guilty person is supposed to be. However, one has to judge if the means justify the ends. Such things are mean for the safety of a majority. Just look at a recent case where a man smuggled a gun into a prison in his anus. This could just as easily happen in a small town local jail.

I find such searches upon entry into a jail reasonable. That however, is just my opinion. I respect that yours is different.

He did have the paperwork. The arresting officer assumed the paperwork was a forgery and further refused to verify it, leaving the man locked up for days. Standard police procedure these days. This is the outrage to me, not the act of searching him prior to placing him into general inmate population of the jail.

I think the most frustrating and futile situation in this world is being told you are guilty of something when you are not. Then to have paperwork and be told it is a forgery. I cannot imagine how angry I would be in that situation.

[KI4NGN]

He did have the paperwork. The arresting officer assumed the paperwork was a forgery and further refused to verify it, leaving the man locked up for days. Standard police procedure these days. This is the outrage to me, not the act of searching him prior to placing him into general inmate population of the jail.

I think the most frustrating and futile situation in this world is being told you are guilty of something when you are not. Then to have paperwork and be told it is a forgery. I cannot imagine how angry I would be in that situation.

I agree, the detention was an outrage and I would bring a civil suit against that police department.

Standard procedure? I doubt it. Sounds like a bad apple or a bad department.

Again, this has nothing to do with standard practices once he was in custody.

[KC2UGV]

Discussion about government and law enforcement authority does not have to be political, and this thread is certainly not, at least from the persepctive that was banned from this site: political parties, specific people, etc.

Oh, so we can discuss the possible outcomes of rulings from the SCOTUS on, say, the Affordable Care Act here?

[KB3LAZ]

He did have the paperwork. The arresting officer assumed the paperwork was a forgery and further refused to verify it, leaving the man locked up for days. Standard police procedure these days. This is the outrage to me, not the act of searching him prior to placing him into general inmate population of the jail.

I think the most frustrating and futile situation in this world is being told you are guilty of something when you are not. Then to have paperwork and be told it is a forgery. I cannot imagine how angry I would be in that situation.

Ouch. We have more sensible officers in my town. The only reason I even know about the bench warrant issue is because I just took my cousin up to pay off his fine because it cost him is DL. On the way home we were stopped at a road side check point and they ran us both. Ofc he showed as having a warrant. After showing his paperwork we were on our way. Which, by my understanding is the way it is supposed to work. Sad that it does not always work that way.

My question is, should not this law officer have known to look at the signature of the judge that it was real? He has to see this signatures on at the very least a weekly basis? Then again, as I said, I live in a very small town.