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[NY3V]

Remember kids, nothing has enslaved and then murdered more people in the last 100 years than some form of atheistic socialism.

More than Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and Wall Street Bank's combined?

[N2EY]

Remember kids, nothing has enslaved and then murdered more people in the last 100 years than some form of atheistic socialism.

Not really.

Look at World War 1 - no "atheistic socialism" there, but it sure cost a lot of lives. World War 2? The Japanese were neither, and they enslaved and killed millions. The Germans? Although they called themselves "national socialists" they let the capitalists do everything.

The real bad guy is totalitarianism - regardless of what name it takes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

[KC9IUX]

Not really.

Look at World War 1 - no "atheistic socialism" there, but it sure cost a lot of lives. World War 2? The Japanese were neither, and they enslaved and killed millions. The Germans? Although they called themselves "national socialists" they let the capitalists do everything.

The real bad guy is totalitarianism - regardless of what name it takes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Point for Jim.

Nevertheless, the NAZI's were typical Socialists. Use a utopian idea to seize control and then do whatever they want.

The correct term to describe the control method that led to the worst democide of the last century was "communism".

Stalin, 65 million.

Mao, according to the Chinese, over 80 million.

Just the top two.

Tyrants hide behind seemingly noble ideas to camo the evil they do.

[KC9IUX]

More than Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and Wall Street Bank's combined?

That depends if you include the banks and corporations that supported Communism, Hitler, and other tyrants.

[N2EY]

Point for Jim.

Nevertheless, the NAZI's were typical Socialists. Use a utopian idea to seize control and then do whatever they want.

That's not what "socialism" or "socialist" means. Not at all. It's an economic system, nothing more.

All "socialism" means is that The Government owns and runs something. The US military, the interstate highway system, the national parks and weather service, etc., are all "socialist" things. Is Medicare a bad thing? It's just "socialist" health insurance for older people.

The Nazis were fascists, not socialists. Private industry and capitalism flourished under the Thrid Reich - as long as the folks involved were the "right kind" of people. The crematoriums at the death camps were designed and built by private contractors....

The correct term to describe the control method that led to the worst democide of the last century was "communism".

Stalin, 65 million.

Mao, according to the Chinese, over 80 million.

Just the top two.

Tyrants hide behind seemingly noble ideas to camo the evil they do.

They called themselves communists, but they weren't. All "communism" really means is that the workers own and control the means of production. The USSR under Stalin sure wasn't that! Neither was China under Mao!

Imagine a law partnership in which each partner has a share and a vote in the company, and the profits and losses are divided according to the shares. That's communism in action - though most lawyers wouldn't like you to think of it that way.

Or imagine a company in which the workers bought up the stock of the company to the point that they controlled it. That would be "communism" too!

73 de Jim, N2EY

[N0SYA]

More than Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and Wall Street Bank's combined?

Yes, even with those astronimical and well documented figures combined!

[N0SYA]

Not really.

Look at World War 1 - no "atheistic socialism" there, but it sure cost a lot of lives. World War 2? The Japanese were neither, and they enslaved and killed millions. The Germans? Although they called themselves "national socialists" they let the capitalists do everything.

The real bad guy is totalitarianism - regardless of what name it takes.

73 de Jim, N2EY

You've read about the millions murdered by Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot? All socialist atheists of one sort or another who apparently were trying for a world record of some sort. If you've not, I suggest you employ an online search engine of your choice for further study. But as you said a mass murdering asshole is a mass murdering asshole no matter what political farce he ascribes to.

[KA5S]

From The Register:

The bill, HR 3523, dubbed the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), was introduced by representatives Mike Rogers (R-MI) and "Dutch" Ruppersberger (D-MD) in November, and is currently attracting serious political support. CISPA would allow any federal agency to request internet and communications logs of individuals from their service provider, and guarantees immunity from prosecution for companies that cooperate with the government.

El Reg opines this one "makes SOPA look sensible."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04..._sopa_returns/

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[2E0OZI]

I very much doubt the majority of Nazis were atheists, in fact if I remember correctly they did at one stage promote a kind of pan-Aryan combination of earth worship crossed with the Norse gods. Does this sound atheist?

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"

Not really. It looks like Jim has an accurate grasp of what for instance the words "socialist" and "communist" actually mean, compared to many here on the Zed.

But as a naturalist/atheist I too agree that the greatest tyranny is totalitarianism, in any form and under any flag.

[N2EY]

You've read about the millions murdered by Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot?

Of course.

All socialist atheists of one sort or another who apparently were trying for a world record of some sort.

Nope.

They were tyrants seeking total control. Nothing more or less. And they weren't all "atheistic socialists".

More important, it wasn't atheism nor socialism that drove them to do what they did. It was the desire for total control.

The people you named were all males, and all had dark hair - almost totally black. Does that mean being a male with black hair makes you a mass murderer intent on total control?

But as you said a mass murdering asshole is a mass murdering asshole no matter what political farce he ascribes to.

Exactly.

And note this: None of those folks did it on their own. They all had numerous others more than willing to help them.

73 de Jim, N2EY

What do Attila The Hun and Winnie The Pooh have in common?






Same middle name.