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 Originally Posted by KC8VWM
I am a fully qualified petroleum distillate, hydrocarbon liquid displacement dipensing engineer.
Looks great on a résumé, doesn't it?
Rich, one of QRZ's elite corps of Pun Piranhas
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Originally Posted by WF7A
Looks great on a résumé, doesn't it?
It was my experiance working for a large corporation that the longer and more specific the job title, the less the position paid. You wanted a simple, short job titles like Manager, Vice President, Presedent, if you sought the big bucks.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.
WA6TKD, Larry
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Originally Posted by KI4NGN
You responded with a lot about education.
Yep - and it's all true!
Originally Posted by KI4NGN
The point of my discussion has been and continues to be the perception that one cannot succeed without a degree, and if obtaining that degree does not impart skills applicable to life after school, then what's the point?
As I have stated before, the idea that success is "impossible" without a college degree is simply false. What a degree does is to make success much more likely and easier.
Also, as I have stated before, often the success of those without degrees involves them acquiring specialized skills and knowledge which require an investment of resources (time, money, effort) at least equal to a college degree. Such folks are very educated - in things not taught in college.
As for "skills not applicable to life after school", I think those are a very narrow range of things, studied by a relatively few students.
Originally Posted by KI4NGN
Sure, I agree, some will learn how to think.
Many don't, and I believe the latter numbers are growing.
Why do you believe that?
73 de Jim, N2EY
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It's easy to make lots of money in America with or without a college degree.
Follow some simple rules:
1. Marry rich.
2. If in doubt, refer to #1.
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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Since I'm looking for a job I can't help but notice that many sales-related jobs don't require a college degree; perhaps the gift of gab trumps a sheepskin, here?
Rich, one of QRZ's elite corps of Pun Piranhas
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Originally Posted by WF7A
Since I'm looking for a job I can't help but notice that many sales-related jobs don't require a college degree; perhaps the gift of gab trumps a sheepskin, here?
No, that is mostly because sales jobs are commission driven, where the bottom line is the more you sell the more they pay you. Less risk for the company because of lower fixed costs. Those that are good at sales do like that there is no hard limit on their personal earnings. It's pure results driven and some do find it a path to success while many don't. Many however don't like the lack of security of a fixed pay check. Of course the highest (or lowest?) form of salesmen are the politicians.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.
WA6TKD, Larry
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one thing about the price list.
the US Dollar was worth a hell of alot more in 1965 then it is today
Owner of the W2IBC 147.435 Repeater Anderson,Indiana Echolink W2IBC-R Node# 699227
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Originally Posted by WA6TKD
No, that is mostly because sales jobs are commission driven, where the bottom line is the more you sell the more they pay you. Less risk for the company because of lower fixed costs. Those that are good at sales do like that there is no hard limit on their personal earnings. It's pure results driven and some do find it a path to success while many don't. Many however don't like the lack of security of a fixed pay check. Of course the highest (or lowest?) form of salesmen are the politicians.
Any time someone offers me a fully-commission based position (which has happened fairly often in the time I've been looking for work), I can't help but think abot Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry Glen Ross.
First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado.
Second prize is a set of steak knives.
Third prize is you're fired.
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the DoD research agency I work for tends to hire people with any Masters degree. they seem to believe that by the time you have a masters you have the research, writing and math skills to do pretty much anything.
An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head. Eric Hoffer
Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment. Pat Condell
your failure to comprehend does not compel me to explain.
Wise people talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something.
Expect to get half of what you earn, a quarter of what is your due, and none of what you have lent, and you will be near the mark.
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Originally Posted by WF7A
Since I'm looking for a job I can't help but notice that many sales-related jobs don't require a college degree; perhaps the gift of gab trumps a sheepskin, here?
But many do, at least in high-tech industries. In others, probably not.
I've known some very wealthy car salesmen. They knew how to sell cars and they did it really well. When the economy sucks, they sold more used cars, but still sold a lot of them. When times are better, they sell more new cars. But they can sell.
One large local dealer here set up a double-team strategy and it seems to work. They have a few gorgeous female sales people who go and greet the male customers; they have a few really good-looking guys (could be models) who go and greet female customers. Possibly none of them know anything about cars, they just get prospects interested in being around them and it works for them.
B2B sales is more complicated and take longer to close.
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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