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  1. #1
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    Default Is this legal - repating announcement on 14.070 PSK31

    Hi,

    This morning I tuned up on 20 Meters PSK 31 and came across this repeating message - I wonder is this legal?

    CQ CQ de VE6VIS VE6VIS
    QST QST this is an announcement for all HAM'S and SWL's
    You can build this computer R
    = all HAM'S and SWL's
    You can build this computer to stereo adapter similiar
    to your PSK-31 interface. It is easy and the sound is amazing!!
    Just use a couple of 6Ø-282, 6Ø-282 audio transformeñ.
    re the 8 ohm side to a 3.5mm stereo headphone plug
    and the 12ØØ ohm side to a pair of RCA plugs.
    Half volume from your computer, laptop or MP3 player
    produces line level sound for your auto, portable or home stereo system!
    See my webO te for the schematic
    www.ideascreateideas.com
    www.ideascreateideas.com
    The sound is absolutely amazing!
    This announcement will auto repeat on this frequency in about 1 minute.
    de VE6VIS VE6VIS SK

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    I never heard of any restrictions on one to many communication for canadian hams so I'm asuming it is legal untill I see relevant rules.
    73 de Andre PE1RDW
    Proud holder of Winlink 2000 ban and DARES ban, both for questioning legality of actions

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    I checked the website. All he is "selling" is a schematic. As the "selling price" is zero dollars, Canadian, I don't see anything illegal about it.

    Except, of course, being Canadian it should also be posted in French.

    73,
    Bill
    Member: Backyard Engineering Group

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    How many times did he send it? I don't mind information being shared over the airwaves that are relevant to ham interest such as this, but if someone is repeatedly transmitting a message trying to generate website traffic over any mode relevant to ham radio or not I find that to be poor amateur practice even if legal in their country.
    73'
    +Steve/KJ5T

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    I went to the website, and honestly don't see the revolutionary aspects of his discovery. He has apparently discovered audio isolation transformers. He's also figured out how to get a full wave loop to fit on a city lot with only a 60 foot tower.

    As for the repeating beacon, I don't know what the Canadian regs are. Based on what we hear at other places on the dial, I don't think there are any rules up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N9APD View Post
    Hi,

    This morning I tuned up on 20 Meters PSK 31 and came across this repeating message - I wonder is this legal?

    CQ CQ de VE6VIS VE6VIS
    QST QST this is an announcement for all HAM'S and SWL's
    You can build this computer R
    = all HAM'S and SWL's
    You can build this computer to stereo adapter similiar
    to your PSK-31 interface. It is easy and the sound is amazing!!
    Just use a couple of 6Ø-282, 6Ø-282 audio transformeñ.
    re the 8 ohm side to a 3.5mm stereo headphone plug
    and the 12ØØ ohm side to a pair of RCA plugs.
    Half volume from your computer, laptop or MP3 player
    produces line level sound for your auto, portable or home stereo system!
    See my webO te for the schematic
    www.ideascreateideas.com
    www.ideascreateideas.com
    The sound is absolutely amazing!
    This announcement will auto repeat on this frequency in about 1 minute.
    de VE6VIS VE6VIS SK
    I heard this also, the bolded part is my problem with it.

    I'm half asking here so.... isn't that "broadcasting"?

    Being a newer ham, I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me.

    Edit: Didn't notice that he's Canadian. Completely blind on their view of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KD0AUO View Post
    I heard this also, the bolded part is my problem with it.

    I'm half asking here so.... isn't that "broadcasting"?

    Being a newer ham, I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me.

    Edit: Didn't notice that he's Canadian. Completely blind on their view of this.
    Is this a broadcast, a bulletin, or a beacon?

    The difference being, a broadcast is a one way transmission intended for reception by the general public; whereas a bulletin is a one way transmission intended for reception solely by other amateur radio operators, regardless of whether or not anyone else happens to hear it. And a beacon is just a one way transmission indicating that it exists, usually used for propagation purposes (if you can hear the beacon, you ought to be able to work someone from that area who is using at least that much power)

    If this was a US station, there might be cause for concern (key word there is "might"). However, since it's a Canadian station, I must also defer to those familiar with Industry Canada rules to answer.
    ANNOUNCING the 19th Annual WASHFest 2014, The South Hills Hamfest, Sunday, 23 February 2014.

    Located at the Castle Shannon VFD Memorial Hall, State Route 88 (Library Road) at Grove Road, Castle Shannon PA., ~ 10 minutes from downtown Pittsburgh.
    [From Downtown, Take the Liberty Bridge across the Mon, go through the Liberty Tunnel, then turn onto SR 51 South to SR 88]
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    Looks like a bulletin to me. Any amateur can transmit a bulletin if they want to; doesn't mean everyone will read it. Good idea using PSK31 too, because it's better than holding an entire frequency hostage with a voice bulletin.
    "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it is scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth. It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based!"

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    Never heard anything like that in Europe but it doesn't seem to me that he's breaking any law, and if he was, what could you do about it ? There's been a couple of big mouths on for years and nobody has stopped them yet.! Not all Canadians are "French", probably the ones in VE6 are probably of English or Scottish descent

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    Quote Originally Posted by KD0AUO View Post
    I heard this also, the bolded part is my problem with it.

    I'm half asking here so.... isn't that "broadcasting"?

    Being a newer ham, I'm not sure, but it seems like it to me.

    Edit: Didn't notice that he's Canadian. Completely blind on their view of this.
    Could be construed as a bulletin:

    * Of interest to hams
    * No pecuniary interests

    But, it's a Canadian station, and I am not familiar with their rules.
    Corey, KC2UGV
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    "A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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