The time they pat-down PENN JILLETTE..

[WB5HQH]

"FLASHBACK: PENN JILLETTE CALLS COPS ON GROPING TSA AGENT
11/13/02" Here is an article Penn wrote about his experience with the grope.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9p.htm


I read this and my imagination ran wild with thoughts of what would you find on him during a search. Rabbits and playing cards would just be falling all over the airport floor. The cops trying to handcuff him would just be embarrassing

[WB2WIK]

I wouldn't mess with Jillette.

Not only is he a HUGE man, but he might make me disappear or something.

[K1DNR]

Thanks for posting that. Good read.

Some folks will say he was a jerk and wasted a lot of people's time.

Other folks will say someone with a voice has to stand up for what is right.

I guess I'm somewhere in the middle.

There's a need for security in airports. Most of what I've seen is that it is done professionally and respectfully. But I guess that depends on your definition.

Mostly my attitude over years toward security people and law enforcement is, "You have a job to do, I have a life to live, I'm not hiding anything, Let's be nice and get this over quickly and make both our lives easier..."

It usually works out well that way.

At what point do they go too far? I don't know. I'm sure it happens. But 99.9% of the time, they just want to do their job and go home at the end of the day...

[KB1NXE]

One thing we all need to learn and accept is the TSA is in the business of keeping honest people honest. They are, as an organization, ALWAYs, closing the barn door AFTER the horse got out.

Shoe bomber - take your shoes off.

Butt Bomber - full body X-Rays.

So next time they want to try something new (the bad guys), they will and only after the attempt or successful act will TSA find a new way to make our lives less.

If someone can cite a post or news report that just one of the security measures implemented since 9/11 (never mind D. B. Cooper) caught a terrorist BEFORE he/she got all the way on the plane, I'd like to know.

TSA Stand For "The Stupid Agency". They are all glorified mall-cops. Most are bored to death and grateful for a paycheck, or wanna-be's that kinda got to be..

[KB3OKM]

MANY are bozos, but not all.......
I had a funny incident in ABE airport at about 5:30. (when they first open up)
I was travelling quite a bit a few years ago and would head out west at least once a month. One morning, on my way thru the security checkpoint, an agent stopped me after scanning my laptop bag...(with toiletries) He "pulled the fire alarm" and yelled for all his buddies to "come here" and "take a look at THIS" as he "got one". They asked me to reach into my bag and pull out my hair brush. (It was a nice one, too)...I paid about 9 bux for it) He grabs it outta my handand asks me "whats in the handle?" I told him.."nothing"..."it's a hairbrush" He asks me again and I tell him the same thing..."Nothing"...it's a hair brush"....He's now foaming at the mouth becaus of his "BIG discovery"and all his buddies are staring at me with wide eyes...(so's everyone else) He then takes the brush and breaks it half and goes..."AHAAAA!!!...then what's THIS?" My BROKEN hairbrush, you dummy!!! He then threatens to detain me and he's gonna..blah blah blah..in the back room...blah blah blah.....I was then strip searched....Full groping of course...I had to ask for a phone number afterwards.... :-)So after ALL was said and done...I told the guy thanks alot for breaking my hairbrush.....DUMBA$$!!!! and went on to Portland and had a good laugh about it on the plane...and at the bar..etc

[WA4BRL]

I wonder about how the fourth amendment to the constitution figures into this issue.

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

So how can the TSA legally search you without a specific warrant? It this not unreasonable? If I buy an airline ticket, that is a contract between that airline and me is it not? How does the TSA legally inject themselves into this contractual relationship without reasonable cause and a warrant. Does blanket suspicion raised only out of generalized fear allow government agents to trash our civil rights?

(I am not a constitutional scholar. That is why I ask these questions rather than state assumed facts.)

[K8MHZ]

I wonder about how the fourth amendment to the constitution figures into this issue.




So how can the TSA legally search you without a specific warrant? It this not unreasonable? If I buy an airline ticket, that is a contract between that airline and me is it not? How does the TSA legally inject themselves into this contractual relationship without reasonable cause and a warrant. Does blanket suspicion raised only out of generalized fear allow government agents to trash our civil rights?

(I am not a constitutional scholar. That is why I ask these questions rather than state assumed facts.)

It's the term 'unreasonable' that pretty much makes the 'right' nothing more than superfluous banter.

'Unreasonable' is not defined in the Constitution and is one of those words that are meaningless in law. Someone on another thread posted a list of such words. 'Workmanlike' was another, the one that spawned the list. Pretty much, any word that is subjective can neutralize any law or right.

To me, the search may be unreasonable, but to someone else, it may be reasonable. Beside not defining 'unreasonable' the Constitution goes one step further and doesn't even mention who gets to decide what is reasonable or not (in this specific instance).

Obviously, few being searched will consider the search reasonable and few doing the searching will consider it unreasonable.

[K9YLI]

my answer.. have the airline issue 22 cal. semin automatics to each passenger when the board, just like the headphones..

then if anyone gets unruly or out of line or acts suspiciously,, everyone..
shoots that person one time..
with 250 bullet holes , no one could say which one was the actuall fatal one.

with in one week , every flier would get on the plane ,follow every direction of the attendants, sit down, shut up and stare forward, no conversation,
no drunks, no loudmouths.................
peace and quiet the whole trip..

or just gas the cabin before take off and put them all to sleep,
hopeing no one took a laxitive before boarding...

[W4PG]

I wonder about how the fourth amendment to the constitution figures into this issue.

So how can the TSA legally search you without a specific warrant?

Once you enter the security area, you have "consented" to the search (yea, I know! Maybe you don't feel that way, but that's the law).

Now, if TSA demanded to come into your home and search you before you left for the airport, that would be an entirely different proposition.

............Bob

[KI6DKC]

I was talking to a guy I know and we decided to go with the pat down every time and act like we are enjoying it way to much.

Some lines we came up with:

"Oh that feels really nice can you do that again."

"Can you rub that spot again."

"It makes me tingle all over inside when you touch me like that"

"Oh faster faster, oh now slower slow now fast again."

"Do you think your friend over there might want to come over and join us."

"Can you hold on for a second while I get some Barry White playing on my Ipod."

"Do you mind if I close my eyes while you touch me?"

"Can you close your eyes while you do this. I like it that way."

I think if everyone started doing this the TSA folks would eventually get so grossed out they would demand changes through their union due to the stress caused by sexual harrassment from the people they are groping. I think everyone should also demand the pat down instead of the scan. It would jam up the system so bad due to the extra time and people required to do it.