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    Default RF Chokes with RG-213 cable.

    Hello all.....

    I was planning an antenna project and was wondering how much coax would be needed to make a 10 turn 10 inch diameter coil using RG-213?

    Also, what is the best way to go about making the form?

    Thanks.
    Robert WD9IDV
    Last edited by WD9IDV; 03-05-2009 at 01:46 PM.

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    From what I gather, it's not the diameter or number of turns so much as the legnth of the cable used in the choke. Here is some good form ideas:

    www.hamuniverse.com/balun.html

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    Default Thanks.

    Thanks all for responding to my question.

    I am planning on upgrading my Mosley TA-63N yagi with the 40 meter add on kit. I already have a 5 turn RF choke on a 6 inch diameter. I will need to change this to 10 turns with a 10 inch diameter when I add the 40 meter kit according to Mosley's instructions. Just wanted to make sure I have enough RG-213 coax to do upgrade....Might have to buy more.

    Thanks again.

    Robert WD9IDV

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    Robert,

    That sounds like an awfully big choke which could reduce the choking impedance on the higher bands where it will be well above self-resonance.

    Take a look here for some measurements of choking impedance:

    http://www.k1ttt.net/technote/airbalun.html

    Of the chokes that K1TTT measured 8 turns on a 6-5/8 inch former looks a more sensible option.

    Steve G3TXQ
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    Remember your 7th grade arithmetic class: Multiply the diameter (in this case 10 inches) by Pi (3.14159...) and then you get the length of cable for 1 turn (about 31.5 inches). Then multiply this by the number of turns (10) and that gives you about 315 inches. Divide that by 12 and you get 26.25 feet. You need to allow a little because of the fact that these figures are not exact. Therefore, you will need probably between 28 and 30 feet of cable to make a choke that is 10 inches in diameter and that has 10 turns.

    There are concrete forms available from home improvement centers that are 10 inches in diameter. However, you can make a form by drawing a circle on a piece of plywood and then use those nails that are sold for installing gutter around your house. Drive them into the wood at 3 or 4 inch intervals and then wind the coaxial cable. Secure the cable with cheap black plastic tape wrapped between the nails (for spacing). The coil will be able to support itself if you wrap the tape around 3 or 4 times for each one.

    Glen, K9STH

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9STH View Post
    Remember your 7th grade arithmetic class: Multiply the diameter (in this case 10 inches) by Pi (3.14159...) and then you get the length of cable for 1 turn (about 31.5 inches). Then multiply this by the number of turns (10) and that gives you about 315 inches. Divide that by 12 and you get 26.25 feet. You need to allow a little because of the fact that these figures are not exact. Therefore, you will need probably between 28 and 30 feet of cable to make a choke that is 10 inches in diameter and that has 10 turns.

    There are concrete forms available from home improvement centers that are 10 inches in diameter. However, you can make a form by drawing a circle on a piece of plywood and then use those nails that are sold for installing gutter around your house. Drive them into the wood at 3 or 4 inch intervals and then wind the coaxial cable. Secure the cable with cheap black plastic tape wrapped between the nails (for spacing). The coil will be able to support itself if you wrap the tape around 3 or 4 times for each one.

    Glen, K9STH
    ::I used to make "perfect" (looking) coaxial RF choke current baluns by using glass pickle jars as forms. Once the balun's wound and the turns are taped to each other to hold their form, I'd hold the jar over the "recycling" trash container in the back yard and hit it with a hammer to break it.

    Perfect choke, more recyclable glass, and I got to eat the pickles first.

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    For smaller diameter coils you can use 2 litre or 3 litre soft drink bottles. It is optional to drink the contents before or after winding the choke.

    Glen, K9STH

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    Lightbulb Choke on RG coax cable

    I would not use that large bulky type of choke as it catches the wind and may fall apart.

    Get ahold of one of the suppliers of the ferrite beads made for RG 8 or 213 cable. These beads are type 43 and slide over the coax just right. They are about 1 1/4 long or so.

    For a beam project of 14 to 30 mHz, you will need about 8 or them.

    For 7.0 to 10 mHz, you will need about 12.

    For 1.8 to 3.5 mHz, you will need about 16.

    Palomar Engineering in California has these and can advise you best on the use of these and probably supply a heat shrink tubing to slide over them.

    See them at:
    http://www.palomar-engineers.com/

    Hal, N6TZ

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    Yes, if you put the 16 beads on the coax so that you can operate as low in frequency as 1.8 mHz, the system WILL work all the way up to 30 mHz. The reason I listed approximate numbers was in case you were only interested in the higher bands on H.F., you could save money by buying only what you need.

    Hal, N6TZ

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