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    Default Antenna+Power Lines= 2 SK

    http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/H...Y&pageId=1.1.1

    KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- A father and son were electrocuted Sunday afternoon in the 6100 block of Nogard in Kansas City, Kan. A 9-year-old girl found the two men, who were trying to put up a ham radio antenna on a house when one of them came in contact with a live power line.
    Other media reports at:
    http://www.kmbc.com/news/16871003/detail.html

    http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/lo...5-c751365fe672
    Last edited by KC9ECI; 07-14-2008 at 02:16 AM.
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    The names have not been released, but the address given matches that of Ed Thomas, KC0TIG.
    He was a regular on the Wheatshocker net of the Johnson County Radio Amateur's Club which I am NCS for.

    Rest in peace "KC0TIG...Ed in Wyandotte County, no traffic" you will be missed.

    --Duncan, KU0DM
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    73!
    Duncan, KU0DM

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    Wow, rest in peace...

    I hope this teaches us all a lesson - don't play with antennas around overhead power lines.

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    This just came in my email. I don't think the author would have issues with me reposting it here.

    THESE NEWS ITEMS MOTIVATED CHUCK KRALY, K0XM, TO WRITE THIS MESSAGE:

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    I just saw this one on the news, and had to write a this message to be
    passed on to the ham community, especially the newer hams.

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    We lost another ham today, and it is a very sad event. The parties
    involved, were installing a Comet FIBERGLASS antenna, that came in
    contact with a single 7620V power line. Now how do I know what the
    exact voltage is? I built and maintained the substation that fed this
    circuit. I spent 27 yrears as a substaion technician for the Board of
    Public Utilities. I am still in this field. So, I feel I have some
    experience in what I am passing along.

    In a nutshell, the location of the accident was a few blocks from the
    substation. The wires you see going thru the residential areas are AT
    MINUMUM 7200 volts from each wire to ground, and between any two of
    them is 13,800 volts. This is nothing to play with at any time. I have
    seen a fault TOTALLY vaporize 1" copper buss (which is solid). Imagine
    what it can do to a human.

    Each wire is fed from what is called a 3 phase line. From there, it
    can be broken off and sent down a property line as a single wire.
    Those are called "laterals" Yes, you will see a device at the break
    out point, and this is a fuse. BUT the caution needs to be conveyed.
    These fuses are in the 60-100 amp range. This is at 7200 volts. On top
    of that, anytime a tree falls across a line, or a pole gets hit, there
    is a circuit on the "feeder" at the substaion that AUTOMATICALLY
    closes the fedder back in, and TRIES to restore the power to the area.
    Some of these "reclosers" can operate 2-5 times, depending on how they
    are set. Now from the substaion end, the protective device is set for
    the full fault capabilites of the line. In the case of BPU, this can
    be set at 600 AMPS, and multiples of that value. The protective
    devices are set for what is called a "time" or and "instantaneous"
    operation. Picture a fast blow fuse and a slow blow, and you will
    understand the difference in the settings. These setting are at
    multiple of the 600 amp value. So, if there is a direct short, then it
    will not trip until it reaches a value at, oh lets say, 8 times that
    value. So we are looking at 4800 amps. and this is at 7200 volts and
    lower. So, it trips, then it energizes it AGAIN. The possiblity of
    survival is slim and none.

    Now remember how I said they were installing a FIBERGLASS antenna?
    Well guess what. It is metal inside. Yes, fiberglass does not radiate
    as we all know. Hence the metal. That is what caused the accident.
    They got too close to the line (remember your 'magnetic lines of flux'
    theory? If not, look it up on the web). There is a minimum approach
    area that MUST be followed. This changes for ALL voltages. This
    distance must NOT be broken. If it is a flashover will happen, and it
    is not pretty. Electricity will find the shortest path to ground. In
    this case it was a couple of men.

    Folks, this is nothing to take chances with. In my almost 30 yrs as a
    ham, and 27 yrs in the power utility field, I have seen way too many
    "accidents." Stop, look and if it is close or SEEMS that way- DON'T.
    Find another place. High voltage lines are NOT forgiving. Your life
    depends on it. You always hear "it is the amps not the volts" well I
    can tell you when you get at these levels, who is going to argue what
    killed the person who had the accident. PLEASE ,PLEASE follow the
    warnings. ANYWHERE close is too close.

    Stay safe, and I hope we can enjoy many more years of hamming.

    Thanks Guys,

    Chuck Kraly, K0XM
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    Although I've been told I'm being unrealistically paranoid, I don't want my antennas to come into contact (intentionally, accidentally, or through mechanical failure) with even the "240 Volt" feeder to the house. Limiting to operations, yes. But not as limiting as being an SK.
    My condolences the the family and friends.

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    One of the BIG reasons we moved where we are is the underground feeder.

    NO issues with antennas falling on overhead lines, plus no power line noise.

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    Holy smokes, 7000 volts!

    R.I.P. OMs

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    If I read that email correctly, they just got too close to the line and didn't need to touch it with the anteanna. Scary, and they probably had no idea how much electricity was on that line.

    I need to see how much it would cost me to go underground with the lines from the power pole in my back yard to my house, and this accident makes it seem like a wise investment. I don't have any "through" lines on my property so I wouldn't have the voltages involved here, but this does make you think.
    Audie
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    Virginia Fone Net #72

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    AC power "Secondary" from the pole (Or underground) transformer to your home really does not present much of a hazard.
    However, As demonstrated time and again, PRIMARY high voltage can KILL even if no direct contact is made!
    Power companies correctly advise people to stay away from all power lines. If you cannot correctly tell the difference between primary high voltage and the (Quite safe) secondary, You best not get close to either.

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    Condolences to the family, of course. Direct contact would probably not be necessary, if you consider how through window antenna mounts work. They may have already been capacitively coupled to the line, and the antenna "shorted the plates," so to speak.

    Also, don't think you're in the clear with underground lines. Call before you dig.
    Steve

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