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    Default Bill's- HomeBrewed Pan Cake - 40 Meter TAK-tenna

    So I've been reading about this Small Space antenna that is being sold as the TAK-Tenna. Really neat idea - Has a 30 inch boom and Spiral Coils on the ends. See a picture at http://www.taktenna.com/

    Looks easy to build - Right ?

    So I Built my version out of wood - Mine is very ugly as compared to the store bought one.

    Materials:

    Parts:

    • 3 - Wooden sections - 1 1/2 in X 1/2 in X 8 ft - Cost 92 Cents each - Home Depot

    • 1 - 100' Spool of Steel Guide/fence Wire - Cost - $7 - Home Depot

    • 1 - 25 foot RG8 coax with PL259 - Radio Shack - Close Out - $5

    • 2 Packages - Nuts/Bolts - $2 - Home Depot

    • Total Material Cost: $16.76

    The commercial version uses PVC and tie wraps, which would have been much easier.

    Fab Time for my version was about 4 hours - Drilling Lots of Holes and feeding the wire in to make the Spiral Coils was most of the work.

    However - Test wise it isn't bad I got it tuned up on 40 meters at about 8 feet off the ground and it has an SWR 1:2 to 1:5 from 7.30 to 7.175 MHZ. Also does ok on 15 meter - Tune up wise.

    Bad news the performance is not Great - Signal pick up is several S units below my Dipole, but it does work.

    From what I have read the Antenna has problems in that most of the performance is based on feedline radiation (See the links below).

    http://lists.contesting.com/archives.../msg00339.html

    http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.ra...7fb7a34305cf3e

    I'm still testing and will upload a picture of my ugly version at some point

    It was an interesting experiment and the Antenna fits into a small space 24 inch X 30 inch. Hey it works. If you have no space it might be worth $20 and a few hours of your time or If you aren't a Homebrewer Buy one.

    If you make your own one point - I needed more wire than the 468/7.2 MHZ = 65 Feet Total or 32.5 Feet per side - I had to add wire after the fact. So I would make it about 33.5 per side.

    Any thoughts ?

    - Bill - KA6KBC - 73's

    Antenna - Pictures:

    http://www.myhamshack.com/HamShackPi...Antenna_3.aspx

    http://www.myhamshack.com/HamShackPi...Antenna_1.aspx
    Last edited by KA6KBC; 06-14-2008 at 03:25 AM. Reason: Added - Links to pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by KA6KBC View Post
    So I've been reading about this Small Space antenna that is being sold as the TAK-Tenna. Really neat idea - Has a 30 inch boom and Spiral Coils on the ends. See a picture at http://www.taktenna.com/

    Looks easy to build - Right ?

    So I Built my version out of wood - Mine is very ugly as compared to the store bought one.


    - Bill - KA6KBC - 73's
    Any antenna is a thing of beauty.
    "The more you know, the less you don't know."

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    Any antenna is better than NO antenna ! ! !

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    My brother (a ham nearly 50 years now) taught me this many years ago: a compromise in size is a compromise in performance. And you said it all - several S units down and a radiating feedline. Yeah, great antenna.

    Thanks for confirming what my brother and I assumed when we first saw the "commercial" version of that antenna (I'm being kind calling that) advertised. I'll stick with my attic mounted linear loaded dipole.

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    I tried building the 40-meter version using PVC pipe and 12ga. Copper wire. Took a little while to get the spacing right on the spirals but tuned pretty easy with a tuner. 1:5 -1 most of the phone band. Always fun to build stuff and see what it will do.

    I have made lots of contacts from California to South Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Florida, etc. running 100 watts out of the rig. I have not tested it for radiated power yet but will try in the near future.

    It is a lot less noisy that my dipoles and acts like a beam.

    I have it up at approx 20 feet. Here is a couple of pic’s

    Bruce
    KI6LQE

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    Hmmmm was just wondering what effects it would have on the antenna itself if you built a balun out of coax near the feed point.....Just wondering
    K4DJQ

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    Quoting the Link Below:

    "When adding a good choke to remove the feedline radiation, the
    gain goes to -9.5 dBi with a take-off angle of 90 degrees. Some of this
    gain reduction is due to feedline loss because removing the feedline
    radiation also increases the SWR".

    http://lists.contesting.com/archives.../msg00339.html

    Thanks,

    Bill - KA6KBC

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    Quote Originally Posted by KI6LQE View Post
    I tried building the 40-meter version using PVC pipe and 12ga. Copper wire. Took a little while to get the spacing right on the spirals but tuned pretty easy with a tuner. 1:5 -1 most of the phone band. Always fun to build stuff and see what it will do.

    I have made lots of contacts from California to South Carolina, Kansas, Texas, Florida, etc. running 100 watts out of the rig. I have not tested it for radiated power yet but will try in the near future.

    It is a lot less noisy that my dipoles and acts like a beam.

    I have it up at approx 20 feet. Here is a couple of pic’s

    Bruce
    KI6LQE
    Hi Bruce;

    Is that palm tree in your back yard ??

    I bet a simple 40 meter wire vertical supported by that palm tree with two elevated radials run along the fence or roof would prove light years better then the pan cake antenna you are using now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n6yg View Post
    Hi Bruce;

    Is that palm tree in your back yard ??

    I bet a simple 40 meter wire vertical supported by that palm tree with two elevated radials run along the fence or roof would prove light years better then the pan cake antenna you are using now.

    Thanks, It is a palm tree. Just out of the picture is an 80-foot redwood tree I have 3 dipoles hung off of. A G5RV up at approx. 65 as an inverted V and two sloped 20 meter dipoles, one north to south and one east to west.

    I built the “Pancake” to see how it would work but I agree the dipoles are much better.

    The G5RV inverted V works well on 40 and 20 and gets me out on 80 meters. I do favor the 20-meter dipoles for any work on 20.

    I was thinking about using the palm tree but it sways a lot in the wind and the redwood tree is pretty stable. I have bungi cords on the ends to keep the wire taught when the tree moves.

    I haven’t tried a vertical yet but I think I might give it a go

    Bruce
    KI6LQE

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    My brother (a ham nearly 50 years now) taught me this many years ago: a compromise in size is a compromise in performance. And you said it all - several S units down and a radiating feedline. Yeah, great antenna.
    Bigger does has its advantages.


    Bill,
    Good thing is that it works and you built it yourself.
    Good job!.


    Now if you really want to see an ugly antenna look here:
    http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=165409

    Can not believe what some people will do
    Last edited by KC4UMO; 06-13-2008 at 10:17 AM. Reason: spelling
    Buddy

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