I have been listening to the European DX Net on Sat & Sun mornings on and off for many years now as an avid SWL. I have heard and logged many new countries and prefixes over the years, thanks to those who have been involved with running the net BUT.....
Take this morning for example, IK0PHY started up the Net (with his rotator stuck facing north) and picked up some DX (VK's, W's, ZL's, and by 0610Z was into collecting the first European list. As the list started, Selim OE6EEG arrived on freq. The list completed, selim took over the. Selim started his usual calling for DX at 0715Z and by 0740Z he still had not run a list from Europe. Most of the time was wasted with casual chat to his "DX Friends" rather than getting the net running like most nets do. This is a regular occurence, like ever week. Of course during that 25 minutes of crap, Selim made his usual trip from 14.243 up to 14.246 to get someone to QSY because he was splattering a bit. Firstly he was splattering, but not interferring with the net as far as I am concerned, secondly Selim's own signal was far wider and splattering more down on 14.240 and thirdly, why has he got to sound like he owns this little segment of the 20m band??
Selim should give up being net controller because he has less and less patience every week, he spends more time each week talking to his buddies on what should be called "The Selim's Friends Get Together Net", and perhaps try doing what he preaches about.
Don't get me wrong, along with I0MPF they pulled the Net into one of the most popular nets on HF but it's time to give it up.
I know that you net controllers out there are going to give me hell over this posting but I don't care. You do it for the love of Radio and you put up with all that it entails from idiots who splatter and cause unnecessary QRM because you love it. End of story. If you don't love it anymore, hand it over.
There are some super nets out there and you guys and gals running them are to be commended but there are some who should just sell their radios and take up gardening. In my experience, the early morning European weekend DX Net is dying a slow death and its down to our dear Dr Selim.
Thanks for the interesting post.
This only serves to point out that many people are listening to the Amatuer bands.
This fellow is an SWL, possibly based in Ireland. He has a valid point about nets. Many times the nets that I've listened to seem only to be a gathering of old friends who really only want to talk to one another, despite what the stated aim of the net might be. I've also noted the "I love the net control" type operations on nets, both local and DX.
Net operations in general seem to attract a certain type of operator that needs leadership and companionship. Thats OK by me. I don't, as a general rule, participate in nets.
Our SWL friend uses the net as a way to hear and QSL stations that would otherwise be harder to copy. Is that bad? Probably not, although the same rules apply for SWL's and Hams. Net contacts are seen by some as being too easy. It is up to each indivual to decide what is too hard or too easy.
As long as you are limited to receiving, you will have no say in how a particular net is run. My suggestion is to get a license and participate in the net. That is the only way you will see any change. I doubt that your compaint here will do any good.
Fellows, just remember this proves that you never know who is listening. Operate accordingly...
That is on the same line as the DX net I have tuned across on 20, on 14.247. The Net Control Station, WA4JTK, is not only rude, but condescending in his remarks about how individuals should call and work the DX, mouths off to many individuals, etc. I have little use for that net.
I realize that many stations are low power or the DX op doesn't have a grasp of the English language and that is why many frequent nets, but on the other hand, take the P5 operation supposedly going on.
This guy won't get on SSB, only RTTY which limits who gets a chance at working him. I don't agree with that mentaility either. It seems some individuals take it upon themselves to make their "rules" as they go not taking into consideration common courtesousy and manners.
Sounds like Selim is what they call a basic LID.
Oh well, to each their own. I choose to spin my knob and listen elsewhere!
"Our SWL friend uses the net as a way to hear and QSL stations that would otherwise be harder to copy. Is that bad? Probably not, although the same rules apply for SWL's and Hams. Net contacts are seen by some as being too easy. It is up to each indivual to decide what is too hard or too easy".
Regarding your comment above, i would just like to add a comment or two if I may; I don't send a QSL card to any stations heard on the nets I listen to, here in EI there I have never come accross a list of "rules" regarding sending a QSL card. I believe that a card is justified when I hear an operator on more than one band or if I have listened to him / her through 5 - 10 QSO's on a given day over a 10/15 minute period. I DO use the nets as a way of getting a few new prefixes in my log but that is only for myself, it's not towards and awards or competitions etc.
Delighted to see that some operators take the time to respond / comment to an SWL !!! Thank you all.
Regarding getting my ticket to operate, passed my theory exam way back in 1985 and now am working on the cw end of things and intend to apply for my ticket as soon as I get through the cw test. Better late than never.....
I don't think that there are any particular rules concerning SWL cards. If you were a member of a club that issued some kind of awards, then some rule would apply. If you are doing it solely for your own satisfaction, well, then any rules would be your own!
Personally, I get more SWL cards than I would have ever imagined. It always suprises me when I get one and I like to reply. At one time, some countries, most notably the Eastern European and Russian states required that all prospective amateur radio operators serve time as SWLs. They even had to get a certain number of cards before they could progress to the next level!
Have fun, and good luck in your chosen hobby!
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My observation from the operating end is that many DX nets degenerate and encourage poor operators. There are of course exceptions, but more than once I've heard things like:
"KQ1XYZ give XY99QQQ a call."
"Sorry Jim, he didn't copy your report, try again"
"No Bob, the first number was less than 5"
"No Bob, it was greater than 3"
"Sorry Jim, repeat the second number again, he thought you said 5"
... etc ...
"OK, great, I'm glad you guys made the contact"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Also forgot the part about....
He doesn't have your call, give him your call again "Whiskey Five Alpha Lima Tango"...give him your call again. #Listen up Serge, "Whiskey Five Alpha Lima Tango" is going to give his callsign again....
Go Lima Tango....
Don't you just love it?
Or how about....West Coast Only....West Coast Only.... (baby spoon).
This is W7XXX, you're 5-9, 5-9 in Arizona....
Huh? #Is that West Coast? #Well, it's a 7. #Close enough!