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    This is from the comprehensive newsletter that Jim Weaver, K8JE,
    and Great Lakes Division Director puts out to the division membership
    at least once a month and sometimes more.
    Jim also regularly polls the membership on ARRL issues as
    well as issues affecting Amateur Radio in General.

    CW NETS MOVING

    "With the totally unexpected extension of the fone band on 80M clear
    down to 3600 kHz, it is necessary for many CW nets to move from
    longstanding net frequencies above 3600 to frequencies within the new
    subband. To say the least, doing this is distasteful. To say it more
    plainly, doing this is often painful and highly disruptive. New,
    unwanted potential for creating inter-net QRM can be expected to
    result.

    I am very pleased that in nearly every instance, though, the Net
    Managers have taken the attitude that this is something that needs to
    be done. They set about selecting new frequencies with the
    professionalism expected of Amateur Radio operators and leaders. I
    applaud these forward-thinking leaders and net members for the courage
    and determination to continue to succeed that they have demonstrated.

    I want to reiterate that ARRL and I stand squarely with the NTS and
    nets in it -- whether these use CW, SSB, RTTY, high-speed digital or
    native drum. It is difficult to conceive of a form of net in NTS that
    does not potentially enhance the standing of Amateur Radio within the
    community and does not increase and maintain Amateur Radio's ability to
    communicate during emergency and disaster situations. As non-technical
    as CW is relative to high speed multimedia or even RTTY and SSB, CW
    continues to provide yeoman service in disasters when professional,
    highly-technical systems fail. CW's low-tech (in this high-tech era)
    is actually a great plus in many instances.

    Keeping this in mind, I continue to urge all net operators to recognize
    that the great glory days of NTS are past. Just as the typical
    automobile no long has a standard, shifter transmission, and just as
    the crank telephone connected by hard lines has given way to push
    button phones -- and for many people to cell phones, and just as
    hand-turning the propeller to start airplane engines has given way to
    electric starters and increasingly to jet engines, NTS must continue to
    evolve in a manner that makes it most useful. The role NTS can find
    most useful in filling today is as an arm of ARES operation.

    This does not mean that NTS is dying or should die. It does not mean
    that ARRL is attempting to cast NTS into the deepest part of the
    dungeon, never to be heard of again. It only means that to maintain
    and even regain much of the luster it had in days past, NTS must adapt.
    Among others, I urge local, regional and national NTS leaders to look
    deeply into the situation the service faces today and to guide it to be
    able to perform still greater service in the future than it has ever
    performed in "bygone year." I, as well as others, are
    encouraging our F&ES leaders to help us in the field see where
    adaptation will be most valuable and how it can best be accomplished.

    80 METER CW TRAFFIC NETS FREQUENCY & OPERATING TIME COORDINATION
    MATRIX

    Net Managers may want to check the following site and make certain
    their nets are listed on it.

    Jack, W0UCE, has developed a Matrix Table to help coordinate relocation
    of NTS 80 meter CW nets. This is not a frequency-assigning operation,
    but simply involves posting what Net Managers send to him. This is
    intended to assist Net Managers select frequencies based upon
    frequencies that are being used by other nets.

    Go to:
    http://4rnc4.homestead.com/80mCWNETMATRIX.html
    to view the current matrix and to send information for
    Jack to add to it."


    73
    George
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]NTS must continue to evolve in a manner that makes it most useful. #The role NTS can find most useful in filling today is as an arm of ARES operation.
    They're untying the shoe and getting ready to drop it.
    Does the ARRL "own" the NTS or ARES organizations?
    ACH,
    Member ARRL, SKCC #215, NAQCC #3441, FISTS #11993

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 03 2006,10:53)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]NTS must continue to evolve in a manner that makes it most useful. #The role NTS can find most useful in filling today is as an arm of ARES operation.
    They're untying the shoe and getting ready to drop it.
    Does the ARRL "own" the NTS or ARES organizations?
    From their web site

    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]
    Public service communication has been a traditional responsibility of the Amateur Radio Service since 1913. In today's Amateur Radio, disaster work is a highly organized and worthwhile part of day-to-day operation, implemented principally through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and the National Traffic System (NTS), both sponsored by ARRL.
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    Am I missing something CW is not excluded from this portion of the band it just has to share it with Voice

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Public service communication has been a traditional responsibility of the Amateur Radio Service since 1913. In today's Amateur Radio, disaster work is a highly organized and worthwhile part of day-to-day operation, implemented principally through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and the National Traffic System (NTS), both sponsored by ARRL.
    So when the ARRL tries to force NTS participants to join an ARES group, or pony up the $1,000 for an SCS modem so they're "Winlink" capable, and they tell the ARRL to stuff it, what will the ARRL do? Pull their "sponsorship"?

    I guarantee neither group will fold if the ARRL decides to pick up it amateur internet toys and decides to go home.
    ACH,
    Member ARRL, SKCC #215, NAQCC #3441, FISTS #11993

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (KF4VKD @ Dec. 04 2006,11:36)]Am I missing something CW is not excluded from this portion of the band it just has to share it with Voice
    The area above 3600khz becomes exclusively "Extra" class territory.

    While Extras can operate CW in this area, no one else can.

    Unless you want an Extra-only CW net in this area, you must move below 3600khz.

    tim ab0wr

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 03 2006,12:37)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Public service communication has been a traditional responsibility of the Amateur Radio Service since 1913. In today's Amateur Radio, disaster work is a highly organized and worthwhile part of day-to-day operation, implemented principally through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and the National Traffic System (NTS), both sponsored by ARRL.
    So when the ARRL tries to force NTS participants to join an ARES group, or pony up the $1,000 for an SCS modem so they're "Winlink" capable, and they tell the ARRL to stuff it, what will the ARRL do? Pull their "sponsorship"?

    I guarantee neither group will fold if the ARRL decides to pick up it amateur internet toys and decides to go home.
    Uh, whatever. I'm just reporting information. I have no idea what "sponsorhip" means in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (AC0H @ Dec. 04 2006,11:37)]
    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]Public service communication has been a traditional responsibility of the Amateur Radio Service since 1913. In today's Amateur Radio, disaster work is a highly organized and worthwhile part of day-to-day operation, implemented principally through the Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and the National Traffic System (NTS), both sponsored by ARRL.
    So when the ARRL tries to force NTS participants to join an ARES group, or pony up the $1,000 for an SCS modem so they're "Winlink" capable, and they tell the ARRL to stuff it, what will the ARRL do? Pull their "sponsorship"?

    I guarantee neither group will fold if the ARRL decides to pick up it amateur internet toys and decides to go home.
    While not publicized at all, the ARRL seriously considered dropping their sponsorship of the NTS about 3 years ago (if my memory serves me correctly).

    I might be able to find some documents on my hard disk if I look hard enough -- or I may have lost them with my last hard disk crash. If I get time I'll look around.

    It would not surprise me in the slightest to see it finally happen and the ARRL become an ARES/WL2K sponsor focusing only on NGO and governmental disaster communications. During Katrina the ARRL was not focused on handling traffic for the common man, only for the Red Cross and other agencies. When, during Katrina, the Red Cross said no hams would be allowed to accept H&W traffic from shelter occupants, the ARRL bought right into it.

    The ARRL has lost sight of one of amateur radio's primary purposes, - providing H&W traffic for the common man out of and into disaster areas. It is more interested in using amateur radio as a backup Common Carrier for wire-based common carrier facilities. That's where the "glamour" is (and the DHS money&#33.

    Every time I mention it I get laughed at by the ARRL syncophants, but the ARRL could REALLY get some publicity by working with organizations like the Boy/Girl Scouts and the Salvation Army in going around to senior citizens care facilities and getting Christmas greeting messages to send to family members. It would help develop a committment to service in our youth (although this isn't really needed by the Scouts) and provide actual traffic for the NTS system that means something.

    It won't happen. Not enough "glamour". Sad.

    tim ab0wr

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (ab0wr @ Dec. 03 2006,13:14)]Every time I mention it I get laughed at by the ARRL syncophants, but the ARRL could REALLY get some publicity by working with organizations like the Boy/Girl Scouts and the Salvation Army in going around to senior citizens care facilities and getting Christmas greeting messages to send to family members. It would help develop a committment to service in our youth (although this isn't really needed by the Scouts) and provide actual traffic for the NTS system that means something.
    Just curious, are there really that many seniors without telephones or access to christmas cards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 04 2006,15:20)]Just curious, are there really that many seniors without telephones or access to christmas cards?
    Amateur radio has never been about by-passing or replacing commercial services. You might be surprised how many seniors would appreciate another form of greeting, even when alternatives are easy.

    73,
    Walt, W5ALT
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