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  1. #1
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    Ok here goes, I am bound for hell I am sure.
    Here is my tale, sad but true.

    I got my FIRST OO notice of violation in 1965 or '66.

    Out of band, calling a Cuban on 40 CW and drifting down below the legal band edge..

    NOW, just a few short 4 decades LATER, I did the same thing.

    I JUST got my OO notice, from a W3, I was...

    # # # #ONE cycle.....ONE #HERTZ.....Below the band edge.
    My frequency was listed as 6.999 Mhz.

    I remember the contact, and I remember NOT being 100% sure that my FT 1000D was designed for the center carrier to be inside the band edge even if set to 7.000...ie: I didn' know if the band edge marked the TONE, or the carrier center, I had just forgotten and never, ever work that LOW in the band ANYWAY...BUT this time, being so CLOSE, I think I remember taking extra care to stay at least 700 hertz ABOVE the edge to keep myself IN the band.....

    Neither here nor there at this point, evidently my bad, and from now on I stay at LEAST plus one KHZ up.

    BUT, my question is, what are the opinions on the OO notice for one hertz.....I am not at all upset, just a little bit bewildered....Is this common to get notices for this close an error?

    I never really get to the real bottom of the bands since 20 has been quiet the last few years, (where I may chase DX LOW in the band) and even THEN seldom get anywhere near that low.

    AND, is the FT 1000D really able to transmit out of band?
    I THINK I was at least 700 cycles ABOVE the edge. (YES. the calibration IS correct on that rig, and well within the 40 CYCLES of error allowed in the specs) ( my offset tone is set for 700). This means I COULD go to as far as 700 cycles out of band, if tuned to the edge?

    And what about the receiving equipment?
    What did this guy USE, I KNOW there are receivers that exact, even the Watkins Johnson SW receiver I think comes close, but wouldn't he need an instrument to be sure, at ONE cycle?
    Changing from 10 Mhz WWV, to 7 mhz, I would think COULD introduce #an error in itself ....

    ANYWAY, as world events go, this is probably less critical than, say, fossile fuel shortages or world hunger, but I AM interested in some feedback.
    And YES I drive the speed limit, but even THAT allows a little leeway for radar error, tire pressure error, indicator error, etc. I have never gotten a ticket for driving 1/1000 to the tenth power, #of a mile over the limit. Or even 1/1000 of a mile.

    #

    This being the second error in my life, I am NOT eager to see myself going down the drain of self destruction, degredation and shame.



    "Clear intent is the best predictor of experience"

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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] ]ONE cycle.....ONE HERTZ.....Below the band edge.
    My frequency was listed as 6.999 Mhz.
    To be 1 hz off, you would have to have been at
    6.999999 Mhz. 6.999 could be as much
    as 1 khz below the band edge.

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    YIPES MY REAL BAD,

    Obviously you are correct.

    I did misthink that, DAMN, THREE errors now.

    Ok, ONE Khz IS out of band, question answered.

    One cycle seemed bizzar, one Khz is not.



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    That's OK. Right now, I'm listening to 2 Extra class operators on 3.750. Guess they didn't bother to learn how LSB works.

    Any OO in MA or NH around?



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    OMG! At least 1 of these guys is an ARRL member, according to his email address listed here on QRZ.
    "If someone tells you he believes in and talks to an invisible bunny named Harvey, you put him on medication and a regimen of therapy. If someone tells you he believes in and talks to God, well, that's perfectly acceptable. Why that's the case is impossible for me to fathom." - WP2XX

    "He's dead, Jim. You take his Tricorder and I'll get his wallet."

    "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

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    Well if I was the OO, I'd let you slide on 3 sig figs.
    Plus I've been hamming for about 4 years and you have about 44+ under your belt, so there.
    Even if I had a chunk of rubidium..not sure I'D know what to do with it.
    I scorn you not.
    rot
    You step in the stream,
    but the water has moved on.

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    I got my first one from a fcc monitoring station.
    I had just passed the test for the advanced class ticket and as soon as I got home, I got on 40 cw and in the advanced portion of the band and had some nice qso's but the error I made was that I signed with my novice call by habbit, man they cought that real fast.
    so it was really funny to have to explain that to them.
    its one that I will never forget too.

    that was back in the early 70's



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    Quote Originally Posted by [b
    Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ Sep. 10 2006,01:56)]is the FT 1000D really able to transmit out of band?
    I received an OO about 8 years ago for key clicks while running my 1000D with an amplifier.

    The 1000D (MP & MKV) series of radios are the worst when it comes to key clicks. If you have one of these radios and run an amplifier, perform the key click mod on this series of radios.

    I have worked guys with the 1000 series of radios who are 6 KC's wide on CW.


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    Today, I was trying to see my own SSTV signal on a webcam on 14.230.000 Mhz, and couldn't see it on any of them that I know about. So I looked at the dial on the rig, and it was reading 14.230.600 ! How in the world ? I don't know, but it CAN happen. I'm just glad that the only thing I was "out of" was the bandpass of the Webcams that are out there !

    Of course, some OOs are a bit over-zealous, too. Don't say that I said that! Glen has some good stories to tell about over-zealous OOs. Maybe he will come in and share some of them.

    73, and "stay out of trouble, now, ya hear ? !

    Jim
    Ham Radio, Amateur Astronomy, and Model Airplanes - what better way to spend some time!

    No time is ever wasted that is spent LEARNING something !

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