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Yahoo TS-590S Group & the Loss of Ham Community

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  1. W5JDF

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    I recently got back into Amateur Radio after being away from the hobby for 40+ years. I have been licensed now for a little over a year-and-a-half. It am still amazed how things have changed, and the wealth of information that is available over the internet. When I got my General Class ticket in January, 2010, I picked up an old Kenwood TS-530S off of eBay. The rig worked o.k. but needed work, which with the use of internet sources I did my self (the days of a local Elmer seem to be lost to me). I found a wealth of information on various site that other Ham's had put up, email back and forth with other hams, and I also join a Yahoo Group for the radio, and got my rig restored. I got my Extra Class in June of 2010, and this pattern continued. As I continued to upgrade and build my station. I collected info and joined groups for newly aquired rigs, for antennas I built/bought, amplifiers, logging programs, etc. I recently aquired a Kenwood TS-590S, my first rig that is actually still being sold and has not been discontinued. This was also a major state-of-the art step for me with most of my past rigs being from the 70's, 80's and early 90's. So to follow my usual pattern and I searched for all the info I could find on the TS-590, which as one might expect the newer something is the less info posted on the web. So I went to one of my usual sources and found the Yahoo Group for the Kenwood TS-590S. I submitted my request for membership, including a statement that I was a new TS-590S owner and want to get the most from my new rig, and share what I learn about the rig with other. Once you join a group you have to wait for the moderator to accept your request. Well this morning I received my reply. My request for membership in the group was DENIED, there was no explanation and the "decision is final."

    This decision is not going to change my life, I am not going to sell off my TS-590, but this seems to be consistent with a trend I see in Ham Radio. As I have progress toward newer gear, etc., I have seen less willingness by other hams to help fellow hams. I think the concept of community, fellowship, and old hams helping new is something the hobby is losing. The is sad to me, because when I was first a ham in the late 60's the one thing I remember most is the local ham community, the older hams helping me and me helping them when I could. Back then when someone's equipment was broken, or not working right it was not just "their problem," but all of ours, and we would all pitch in and help where we could. Today, it seems that the community has changed to every ham for themselves, and that the concept of the Ham community is slowly being lost. This of course is just my opinion, from my position, and my view that I wanted to express. Comments are welcome. Jerry W5JDF
  2. K7EA

    K7EA Ham Member QRZ Page


    Don't let some inward looking lids turn you off. That is a mighty fine rig you have there, just use it and have fun. You will find plenty of hams willing to share and help. It seems that the internet makes lids more visible; treat them like qrn and turn on the noise filter.

    73. Bill

    Burt for President and Oracle
  3. KD0CAC

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    I find yahoo sucks ,
  4. M3KXZ

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    Perhaps the "membership denied" thing was a mistake. If I were you, and I really wanted to join that particular Yahoo group, then I'd email the moderator of the group to query it.
  5. M3KXZ

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    Jerry, was your callsign visible in the "join" request? The groups owner says
    "Joining mail:

    - In the joining mail your valid amateur radio call MUST be visible for me.

    - You have to be a radio amateur with a valid call

    - You must have a valid @ address

    If this is NOT the case I will deny the joining!"
  6. W5JDF

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    There is a point to consider I don't recall if I put my call sign in there or not. I may consider resubmitting the request with the call sign included and see what happens. Something to think about. Jerry W5JDF
  7. KT1F

    KT1F Ham Member QRZ Page

    I also suspect that this is an honest mistake (he pushed wrong button) or, like Peter suggests, perhaps you didn't include your callsign. If it was the latter then I think he could have been a bit nicer about it especially since your message made it pretty clear that you're not a spammer. I notice that the callsign requirement is only mentioned on the front page, not the signup page so it's easy to forget or miss.

    A bit of a related soap box topic for me:
    I'm pleased to see that at least the archives are publicly visible for that group. It aggravates me to go to a ham related Yahoo Group hoping to do a quick scan or search of the old messages and find that the moderator / owner has decided that his group is so special that you need to join and wait for approval before you can even read the messages. That makes no sense to me.
  8. W5JDF

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    I have resubmitted my request with my call included, we will see what happens and I will post the results. I suppose if I get denied again I could just start my own group for my 590, 570, 930, and 830....hihi Jerry
  9. W5JDF

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    Well, I resubmitted my request with my call and guess was approved. However, my thoughts about the changes in Ham radio I think are still valid. We will see what I get from the Yahoo Group. Jerry W5JDF
  10. WB2WIK

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    Everything changes, and I don't think the changes in ham radio have been bad at all...I've been continuously active for 46 years, with virtually no breaks.

    The internet changed lots of stuff. Not only is the "local Elmer" pretty much gone, but I hear lots of people never even leave the house to go shopping anymore...they buy everything except maybe food via the internet, and it's delivered to them. 40 years ago nobody could have possibly believed that would happen.
  11. W5JDF

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    That is very true I must admit I do quite a bit of shopping on-line, but I really do must the Elmer and the sense of the Ham Radio community. Jerry
  12. 2E0OZI

    2E0OZI Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm a pretty new ham, and I find my mentors* are the guys in the radio club who trained me to take both levels I have passed, and a more casual club I am a member of that meets on a regular basis for tea, coffee. biscuits and a bit of a chat - usually a member will bring along a new or old piece of gear and talk about it, give a demonstation. A couple of months ago it was a Soviet era military backpack radio and it was fascinating. And also some of the good folk I know on the internet!

    *I use the term mentor because er...elmer really is US specific and just sounds odd to me!
  13. N0AZZ

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    One of the most used groups on Yahoo is the Fox Tango groups. I belong to 4 and have the leading edge radio on the market at this time the FTDX-5000MP. Many users, beta testers for Yaesu, and watched by Yaesu engineers. Find out there about new firmware releases quite a few so far and lots of tips and tricks most users are quite advanced in the hobby.
  14. G0GQK

    G0GQK Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm not surprised it was approved, why shouldn't it be approved ? Like most things it was just a simple error. Enjoy your radio and enjoy the action on QRZ !
  15. K0RGR

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    I run two Yahoo groups and participate in quite a few others from time to time. I do find them to be invaluable sources of info on my different radios and some special topics I really enjoy. I started a new group for hams in my area, and it has grown to over 100 members, and it's fairly busy. The other group I started has withered on the vine and I'll probably let it go eventually.

    One of my favorite groups is the HamRadioHelpGroup , a group of experienced hams helping newbies. Even though you are an old timer, you might find that group helpful as 'retread' ham. Like every group, there a couple strong personalities there, but overall, I think it's a positive place.
  16. AG3Y

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    Now days, there is a disturbing tendency for some people to "go off half-cocked". The second something doesn't go the way they expect it to, or someone expresses a different opinion than they hold, they are full-bore into a foul mode !

    I also belong to a Kenwood boatanchors group, due to the fact that I have a pair of the "twins". I sit back and read a lot of stuff that doesn't apply to my particular radios, but occasionally there will be a nugget of information that is very useful to me.

    I am sure that no-one who is seriously interested in learning more about their radio, be it a Kenwood, Yaesu or whatever brand would be shunned and prevented from joining a group. If the group has a limitation to ham only membership, that is OK with me. No one should be digging into a radio unless they have a certain fundamental grasp of electronics. Having a ham license used to indicate that a person had achieved a certain level of understanding, and it may not so much now. But it doesn't hurt to require one to sign in with an actual amateur radio callsign. It helps the moderators to understand that it isn't just some other "joe blow" trying to get information on how to hack his radio to get on that other band.

    JMHO 73, Jim
  17. WA6MHZ

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    I also run a Yahoo group, and as an owner, we have to be VERY carefull about who we let in. If they are a Ham, they are most likely OK, but anyone who doesn't appear to be are put on Moderation (Messages to be approved before allowing posting). This is because there are alot of RB SPAMMERS who join the Yahoo groups just so they can spew out there P0RN site notices and such. Or they collect addys from the membership to mail direct Spam to. I wish there were a magic bullet to find these @#@#@@!@!$@ RBs and take them out. Often they will sit quiet for many weeks or months waiting and then SPAM the group. They are immediately BANNED, but often they return under other bogus names. I haven't seen any real HAMS do this, but they could hijack a ham's call to try their dirty tricks.

    Alot of really ROTTEN people out there. Another thing is that we usually ask them to post something about themselves. If they do that, then they are probably legit and are welcomed in. Spammers go from group to group looking for holes into it.
  18. N0AZZ

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    I really enjoy the Yahoo FT-101 group lots of knowledge on this old rig has been helpful in trouble shooting and my collecting of them.
  19. WS2L

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    Enjoy that TS-950, not only is it still for sale the radio just came on the market a few months ago. Just get on the air and operate your favorite mode and talk to people. Ham radio is not about groups for people who own certain radio's and yes there is a wealth of information on the internet but the bottom line is that our hobby is a wireless hobby (To an extent).
  20. AG3Y

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    Dave, being the OF that I am, I would have to say that if you are NOT pumping the RF out into the "aether" it is NOT ham radio ! ! ! You can use all the computers, automatic keyers, cameras, scanners, etc. that you want to, but the end result should be that you are achieving a WIRELESS link between you and the person you are communicating with ! Bottom line .

    73, Jim
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