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Yaesu FTDX 3000 doesn't look so bad to me

Discussion in 'Discussions, Opinions & Editorials' started by K9XR, Mar 13, 2013.

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  1. K9XR

    K9XR Ham Member

    After reading several less than complimentary opinions here on the ZED, I was kind of surprised at the review that I just read in the April issue of QST. I have read several comments about what a P.O.S. receiver it has and the ARRL measurements just don't agree with that at all. The only thing I noticed in their tests is that the Transmit cleanliness isn't at the top of the heap. It looks like a pretty decent radio that can be had for about $2600 in the real world. As far as I can see the only thing missing is the second receiver.
     
  2. KD6VM

    KD6VM Ham Member

  3. KO6WB

    KO6WB Premium Subscriber

    And of course the ARRL has no monetary interest in reviewing the offerings from Yaesu, Icom and Kenwood. Just to mention those three.
    The FTDX-3000 isn't a bad unit. It just wasn't as good as the hype made it out to be before it was introduced. Some were disappointed
    while others found it to be the best thing ever.
    The only scale by which to judge a new offering is what happens as time moves on. Well made units from long ago are still populating the
    amateur bands.
    Time is a much better judge but after so long, you can no longer purchase the offerings, at least not new. You might be able to get one
    in the waning years form someone that bought one and never took it out of the box.
    When it comes down to it I would rather have a unit that was in service then one that sat in a box for X years. Electronics are meant to
    be used. Sitting around just seems to cause problems.
    Have fun
    73
    Gary
     
  4. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member

    It still falls way behind the K3 even the base model K3/100 bare bones in all of the fields. It was supposed the have the same receiver as the FTDX-5000 it did not, not even close and lacked about 80% of the features that made the 5000 a great radio. I had a 5000 for 2 years till I bought a bare bones K3/100 and compaired the 2 for 4 months at the end I sold the 5000 and ordered another K3 loaded.

    I did borrow a 3000 from a friend for a week and swapped out one of my K3's in the SO2R setup I can tell you that it really should be called an upgraded FT-950 with more menu's. The most noticeable showed in close in IMD and in weak signal work with the K3 superior filtering. Have a look at the Sherwood test reports they give you some ammo to check and look at the overall numbers not just the receive that why I changed.

    Another thing for more radio you pay $500 less for a base K3/100 almost enough to add a sub receiver. As with the K3 you can any options yourself at any time you wish what and when not what someone else thinks you need. With Elecraft you get the #1 rated support/service in the industry and the #1 yahoo group where you can ask the owners/designers/engineers/software/firmware people whatever you wish they are there for "YOU".
     
  5. NW9R

    NW9R Ham Member

    The 3000 has so-so performance in the receiver realm, like 132 at 20KHZ and 82 at 2 khz spacing which is decent. I think for the price, it is some better than the 2000.
    The scope as on the 5000 is pretty useless. If you really want a decent scope (IMHO), I would opt for tapping the IF and using HRD/Power SDR IF Stage to get a really decent band scope.
    Putting the marginally usefull scope on the 5000/3000 (tiny) is just adding cost to the radio and giving you little.

    Receiver performance is decent I suppose for the casual user. If you want a tiny portable radio with better performance, then the K3 will do the trick, of course, each feature you add jacks up the cost significantly.

    For the casual DXer/operator, I think the 3000 would be an acceptable radio to have, but for me, it would have to be a used one as I wouldn't spend that kind of money for a radio with the limited features/performance.
     
  6. WB2WIK

    WB2WIK Premium Subscriber

    Anything with "3000" in its name can't be all bad.

    I had an Austin-Healy 3000 that was a really fun drive.

    Of course, it couldn't make it through a 6" deep puddle without stalling, but in dry weather it was fun.

    Has anyone checked the FT-3000 for 6" deep puddles?
     
  7. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member


    If I might ask what radio has more features and better overall performance than a loaded K3 at anywhere near that price? It seems an awful lot of the biggest contest stations are using the "Tiny Portable Radio" for one reason and I'm sure you can guess why.
     
  8. N3AWS

    N3AWS Ham Member

    Fred:

    How do the K3 and the KX-3 compare on big antennas? I know the KX-3 doesn't have the expandability of the K3, bt I'm curious how they play side by side.

    73, Jim N3AWS
     
  9. KQ9J

    KQ9J Subscriber

    I really like the looks of the 3000, and it is getting some good reviews. I just wish it had sub-receiver. Or the K3 had a larger, nicer display. The K3 is just plain ugly and I hate rigs with monochrome LCD displays. Oh, and some of the K3 evangelists are a little overbearing. Make that a LOT overbearing :)
     
  10. W6UV

    W6UV Premium Subscriber

    I looked at the 3000 before getting the 5000, and decided that I really wanted the second receiver the 5000 has that the 3000 does not. The band scope looks nicer on the 3000, but I'm not sure if it's any more useful. I have the 5000 "D" model, but I haven't even bothered to take the SM-5000 out of the box -- that's how useful I think it is. I'll eventually get an LP-PAN and use that with PowerSDR for a band scope because once you've seen that kind of band scope, nothing else will do.

    For the money the 3000 costs, I'd get a K3 instead. It's a much better rig in that price range and it's also capable of rivaling the 5000 in performance by adding additional modules (2nd receiver, roofing filters, etc.)

    The primary reason I wanted the 5000 over the K3 was that I like bigger rigs with bigger knobs. The 5000 is also substantially more robust than the K3 with a die-cast aluminum chassis -- the main circuit board in a K3 forms its structural backbone. I suppose this probably isn't an issue as K3s are frequently dragged all over the world on DXpeditions.
     
  11. WA6MHZ

    WA6MHZ Premium Subscriber

    I hadn't heard that about K3's having problems on DXpeditions. (as mentioned here). But I know the TOP DXers and CONTESTERS just Swear by them. They all use K3's over FTdx5000s and the rest of the high end radios. They don't care how PRETTY they are, they need Maximum performance, which the K3's provide.

    I need maximum PRETTINESS, which the FT5K sure provides. But now I am getting some hankering for the TS-990S. That is really TRICK! But it SURE will be pricey! Then, I have this DISEASE which requires me to have the FANCIEST money can buy (which is why I drive a Town Car instead of a Toyota!)
     
  12. W6UV

    W6UV Premium Subscriber

    Pat,

    If you demand maximum prettiness, then why do you take a nice looking car like a Town Car and put bullet hole decals all over it? Are you going for the gangsta look?
     
  13. WA6MHZ

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    My big knob on the 5K turns itself! Sometimes when I tune into a frequency, and take my hand off the knob, it will continue to turn, like it was rolling downhill. I have to reach over and stop it, and then tune back to the desired frequency. It is not too loose. The tuning speed and effort is set perfectly. Don't know why it would continue to turn, unless it is not balanced properly. Maybe one side is weighted more than the other, causing it to turn itself due to gravity. Almost want to hit DIAL LOCK as soon as I tune into the frequency needed.

    I like the subreceiver quite abit when DXing. You can listen to the pileup calling in one ear and the DX with the other. Very nice feature which WOULD be a deal breaker if it didn't have that.
     
  14. NW9R

    NW9R Ham Member

    They had 2 of 3 poop out (K3's) on a recent expedition...think it was HK0NA or KH8SI (can't remember which). Neither was repairable. Evidently, salt water environments are too good for them else poor operator handling of the assets...don't know the story...

    The main reason they use the K3s is size and portability. Some have been using the 590's also for similar reasons. Don't really need contest grade receiver performance on the transmit side of a pile up and for the receive side, they usually pick out the loud stations....
     
  15. XV2PS

    XV2PS Ham Member

    I never tried any high end rigs in my life, I have absolutely no interest in contests, and I bought a 3000.
    I do not much pay attention to the numbers. First because I would have to understand them all, second because I am stunned by the receiver and all filtering capabilities. I can finally cut out a lot of crap that I had to swallow before.

    It is nice, some functions may be improved and we all believe that Yaesu will handle that soon or later by downloads. In my eyes I did one of the right choices. Why that choice? I put some rigs in the same price range, compared data, features (filters and tuner) and ...... availability. Nothing needed to add to the system, and there was one last left in the factory in Hong Kong. I jumped on it. Landed for near 4000USD.
     
  16. WA6MHZ

    WA6MHZ Premium Subscriber


    I worked at a HF Transceiver manufacturing facility years ago, and they made a nice 0-30Mhz rig, called the Hull 5150SSB. No one told them that 5150 stands for "NUTS!!!"

    The radios were designed for Marine rigs, and were supposed to be on the bridge of boats and ships. Can't get much more of a Salt Air enviroment than that!

    The first time I saw it, I told them there was no way it would withstand a wave breaking over the boat. The salt water would corrode out the commonly made transmitter board and that would be that. But WHAT DID I KNOW???!!!! I was just a boy in the back room!

    I showed them CONFORMAL COATED boards with waterproof connectors. THAT is the way the PCBs should have been built. Those would withstand the harsh enviroment. But they didn't believe me and went ahead with THEIR design.

    The Radios only lasted a short time and the company went out of business!!!

    But then, WHAT DO I KNOW???!!!!
     
  17. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member

    As a matter of fact they did get both of the K3's going again when you subject to the saltwater waves that were entering the tent and them being wet from that very few radios other than the K3 could have been coaxed into working again. Very few TS-590's have ever been used because of problems they have with other radios operating to close to them and no sub receiver needed for the big splits used today.

    You still failed to answer about why the best contest stations use them over the other radios?
     
  18. NL7W

    NL7W Ham Member

    Bet they don't do so well in 6" deep snow either... !

     
  19. N1JGE

    N1JGE Ham Member

    Just some?
     
  20. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member


    Bob I agree on the overbearing part still on the Elecraft reflector I get BS for pointing out the points where I found the FTDX-5000MP to be a better radio you should hear them scream. I have always said that the K3's receive was not as good on 10m as the 5000 and it's not I spoke with Eric the owner and he is going to include 10m into a combined 6/10m preamp where now it is only 6m. The 5000 needs none for either band the 6m one is very good and I'm sure the 10m will be also. The K3 seems to have a slight advantage on the low bands over the 5000 I think its all the filtering.

    Bob if you want to hear about the 5000 reflector I'll tell you about it also same deal. I'm not a brand loyal sort of guy well I used to be in the past for Yaesu but passed that. For the last several years have had several different rigs from the top picks all brands don't know why I waited so long on the K3 size was the factor I guess and looks sorry I let such stupid things slow me down for so long. But I'm old and slow it takes time for me to do anything anymore.
     
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