WWII Bombings Affected Ionosphere and Radio Propagation

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  1. KA0HCP

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  2. W4ZD

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    Grief, if this is so (I presume it is), I wonder how nuclear tests messed with the atmosphere. Ivy Mike, yield around 10 megatons...

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    Pretty funky looking thing, too...

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    :eek:
     
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  3. WG8Z

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    Light fuse Get away Boom
     
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  4. K4PIH

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    Read the article. Like most of these things, it's an extrapolation based on studies that may or may not be related. Using a lightning strike to quantify a WWII bombing strike and it's effect on the atmospheric layers is apples and oranges. Interesting post non the less, makes you wonder how far back we messed up mother ship earth. It's so easy, caveman prolly did it!
     
  5. K4PIH

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    That's the guy sitting the chair testing the matches ;)
     
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  6. KA0HCP

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    Re-read the summary. Lightning has nothing to do with the conclusions drawn from recorded ionospheric observations. No extrapolations based on unrelated studies. The authors suggest that based on similar energy levels of lightning strike and coincident changes in F layers, that the same or similar effect may be responsible for the observed changes.
     
  7. N2EY

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    Of course there were effects, but they were relatively localized, and the ionosphere settled down after enough time passed.

    btw, the Castle Bravo test was supposed to yield 6 megatons but actually yielded 15 megatons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo
     
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  8. W4ZD

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    Consider this statistic... "Between 1939 and 1945, Allied planes dropped 3.4 million tons of bombs on Axis powers." I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the statement, but given the technology of the time it seems reasonable. (see, e.g., https://brilliantmaps.com/uk-us-bombs-ww2/ ) And then in one fell swoop, 3 times that amount in, what, a microsecond?

    Yeah, I know. Major screwup. :)

    Richard Rhodes, an American historian, wrote several book on the subject of the development of nuclear weapons. Good reads.
     
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  9. N2EY

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    Yep. And the biggest of them all, the "Tsar Bomba", was 50 megatons - and that wasn't the maximum the design could do; they dialed it back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

    They did not know what they did not know.....

    73 de Jim, N2EY
     
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  10. KC8VWM

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    Not sure abound the scientific validity of it all, but nevertheless it's some very interesting information.
     

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