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W4B First in Flight Centennial Special Event Sta

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by W4GRW, Dec 12, 2003.

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  1. W4GRW

    W4GRW Ham Member

    Historic Centennial Celebration of the Wright Brothers First Flight, Special Event Station, W4B.
    The NC Special Event Group NC Special Event Group is proud to announce that we are now operating as W4B as part of the First Flight Centennial Celebration. Please join us on the air, from Kitty Hawk, on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, as we celebrate the Wright Brothers, "twelve seconds that changed the world".


    W4B Special Event Frequencies

    3.860  7.260  14.260  21.330  28.460  SSB  + or - .010

    3.550  7.050  14.050  21.050  28.050  CW  + or - .010

    One station will be on 14.260 continuously as propagation permits from Dec 12, 2003 through December 17, 2003  - The second station will alternate between SSB and CW depending on operator availability and may be found on any of the above frequencies as propagation permits.


    W4B Operating Times

    Beginning December 12, 2003 at 1700 UTC - Ending December 17, 2003 at 2000 UTC

    For QSL information, please see the W4B websiteW4B First in Flight QSL information
    Thanks to Kenwood, Heil Sound, & MFJ Enterprises for their assistance.

    For additional information
    Official First in Flight Centennial Website

    thanks, W4GRW
     
  2. K2TFT

    K2TFT Guest

    DONT FORGET TO MENTION WHAT YOUR WEBSITE SAYS.."DONT JUST SEND A QSL" ENCLOSE 5 DOLLARS AND NO SASE. WHAT A RIP OFF CONSIDERING THE WHOLE EVENT WAS SPONSORED BY HAM GEAR BOYS. TO SPOIL SOMETHING THIS GREAT I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON ALL THE 5 BUCKS YOU DONT GET!! [​IMG]
     
  3. K4SCH

    K4SCH Ham Member

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">  from k2tft "I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON ALL THE 5 BUCKS YOU DONT GET!!"[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

    Just another fine example of some of the great attitudes found in ham radio today. Seriously folks I think we as a group can be a little bit more intelligent than this.
     
  4. KC0JEZ

    KC0JEZ Ham Member

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2TFT @ Dec. 14 2003,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">DONT FORGET TO MENTION WHAT YOUR WEBSITE SAYS.."DONT JUST SEND A QSL" ENCLOSE 5 DOLLARS AND NO SASE.  WHAT A RIP OFF CONSIDERING THE WHOLE EVENT WAS SPONSORED BY HAM GEAR BOYS.  TO SPOIL SOMETHING THIS GREAT I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON ALL THE 5 BUCKS YOU DONT GET!! [​IMG][/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    Boy, you must hate lots of special event stations and awards.  Did you see that you don't get a QSL card for 5 bucks? You get a certificate, probably mailed flat, along with other items including discount coupons from various manufacturers.  I'll bet the value received far surpasses the measly 5 bucks. Look thru your next ham magazine and see how many other special events, awards, etc.. ask for a few bucks to defray the cost. Just mailing a certificate costs a buck..if not more by the time you buy a 9 x 12 envelope, etc. Im guessing that the sponsorship by the radio folks refers to the coupons they provided, which helps the club cover their costs by inticing people to send the $5 for the certificate and other goodies.  Loosen up a bit and if the five bucks'll kill ya, don't participate.  Heck, I might even send 'em five bucks to help 'em out even though I can't work 'em. Yeesh.
     
  5. N2RXK

    N2RXK Ham Member

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K2TFT @ Dec. 14 2003,18:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">TO SPOIL SOMETHING THIS GREAT I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON ALL THE 5 BUCKS YOU DONT GET!![/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    [​IMG]  It is to bad that we can't give feedback for postings like they do on eBay...maybe that would cause people to be a bit more diplomatic!! I may or may not agree with his comment, but I certainly don't agree with the WAY [​IMG] he said it.  Happy Holidays to all. Bob N2RXK
     
  6. VE7IBJ

    VE7IBJ Ham Member

    Five greenbacks is a bit steep, especially if you're not in the U.S.  Looking at about $8cdn, plus $.80 postage, exchange fees, tax, etc... Not only that, coupons are only good if you actually plan on purchasing something. Even then, they're available at any ham outlet.
    Me? I'm going out to the Canadian Museum of Flight in Langley, B.C. on wednesday and put my $$$ into the donation box.  

    73
    Roy
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I sent my $5.00 to them with my qsl card and i was very proud to do it. an event like this involves a lot of effort on their part. the least we can do as fellow amateurs is To SUPPORT IT as best as we all can. so 73 to all and have a very happy holiday and a very good new year.      TOM N2NZJ [​IMG]  [​IMG]  [​IMG]
     
  8. K2TFT

    K2TFT Guest

    All I wanted was a QSL card. Don't need the k-mart ads or the ham radio stuff i can't afford anyway....criminy
     
  9. K2TFT

    K2TFT Guest

    </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (N2NZJ @ Dec. 15 2003,22:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I sent my $5.00 to them with my qsl card and i was very proud to do it. an event like this involves a lot of effort on their part. the least we can do as fellow amateurs is To SUPPORT IT as best as we all can. so 73 to all and have a very happy holiday and a very good new year.      TOM N2NZJ [​IMG]  [​IMG]  [​IMG][/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
    maybe thats the only way you can collect cards with your rubber duck antenna...har har...throught some irlp or echo link. [​IMG]
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    To all the people operating W4B thanks for putting on an IMPRESSIVE EVENT. I and many others enjoyed working you guys. hope the event was as successfull as you all hoped it would be???. [​IMG]  [​IMG]  [​IMG]  73 to all TOM N2NZJ 12/17/03
     
  11. W6DX

    W6DX Ham Member

    Actually, postage for an 8-1/2 by 11 inch certificate mailed flat is only 49 cents at the post office. Since the website says that "most of the cost" is in the postage, that means that they have less than a buck in the whole thing, including paper, envolope, and postage.

    Five dollars does seem a bit high. This isn't a "servce to hams," it's a business! Too bad; one of the pivotal moments in American history is being used by a few hams to profit from others.

    Barrie, W6DX
     
  12. K2TFT

    K2TFT Guest

    tnx w6dx thats what i was trying to say....i am just not good with words i guess. happy holidays to all rich.
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    It has been said time and time again that a QSL is "the final courtesy" of a QSO.  In my world, a "courtesy" is something freely given, not something to which a steep price is attached.

    $5?  Wow.  I understand that the monies are required because "[t]he cost of operating an event of this size is very large," and   "[m]ost [of the $5 charge] of this is mailing cost."  Well, I don't know what that means; it's a bit vague.

    I am reminded of a group of guys who went down to PJ2 a few weeks back.  If you operate HF, you almost surely heard them.  They were a bunch of retirees from Illinois who presumably went down to site-see, enjoy the sun, drink a few cold ones, and make bunches of QSOs.  I worked them; it sounded like they had a big time.  I have no doubt they had significant hard costs like travel, food, and the rent on the PJ2T station.  Yet, all they want is an SASE.

    Why the difference?

    By the way. is the NCSEG a §501&copy;(3)?

    I am sure that nothing NCSEG is doing is improper.  It just seems a bit outside the spirit of the hobby, that's all.

    I think I'll take my $5 and drop it in a Salvation Army pot today.  I'll feel better about spending my money that way.

    Peter Baskind, JD, LLM
    N4LI
     
  14. K4VU

    K4VU Ham Member

    nice job, guys -- glad to see that you were on the air to mark this moment.

    73/robin/k4vu
     
  15. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I AGREE THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB. I am glad i sent my qsl card and the five U S D'S to them as this was a once in a life time event. I would do it again. 73 to all and a very happy holiday. [​IMG]  [​IMG]  [​IMG]  TOM N2NZJ
     
  16. N5JLW

    N5JLW Guest

    Thanks NCSEG for putting on the W4B Specual Event. I appreciate all of the hard work involved in not only setting up and operating the station(s) but for all of the behind-the-scenes efforts too.


    I worked Keith on 20 meters on the last day of the event and I was glad to have made the contact. I have sent in my QSO info and the $5 fee to cover the certificate expenses too. I was glad to have the opportunity to participate and get into the queue to receive what will surely be a rare certificate.


    To all those detractors that seem to have nothing better to do than whine about paying the fee and diminish what these folks have tried to do, leave your rigs turned off, ignore the fee structure and just don't participate. A fewer number of quality and supportive posts here would certainly do more to further the hobby than receiving a myriad of belly-acheing ones.


    73,
    Jack
    N1JLW
     
  17. Guest

    Guest Guest

    THANKS JACK I AGREE WITH YOU 110%. your post could not have have said it any BETTER.those guys at the special event station did an EXCELLENT JOB. like i said in my earlier post i was proud to have sent them my $5.00 for a rare and coveted CERTIFICATE. have a great holiday Jack. 73 THOMAS S. WRIGHT N2NZJ
     
  18. VE7IBJ

    VE7IBJ Ham Member

    I have some very nice and one of a kind qsl certificates here that certainly didn't cost me $5usd and they all mean just as much. Like a previous post said, it doesn't cost that much to make and mail a certificate! SASE should be enough for a special event qsl. No doubt they made money on this event. Very unfortunate.

    Roy
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I IN ANY CASE BELIEVE THIS EVENT WAS WELL WORTH IT. as i said earlier I would do it again for a very important event like this one. not very many historic events are done as well as this one was. so again happy holidays and good tidings to all. 73 THOMAS S WRIGHT  N2NZJ  [​IMG]  [​IMG]  [​IMG]
     
  20. WY3X

    WY3X Ham Member

    I was too busy to participate in this wonderful special
    event, but I wish I had been able to make contact with them.

    I think that the $5 charge they are asking for is covered under the amateur rules under "pecuniary interest". It is my belief that if it costs them one cent under $5 to produce and send out the certificates, then the HONEST thing to do would be to send a refund along with all the certificates for the difference. It's flat out illegal to fund a club function by charging for QSLs or special event certificates. It would be a different matter entirely if it cost them a small fortune to travel to Kitty Hawk and they were seeking to offset expenses incurred, but I don't believe this is the issue at hand.

    On the other side of the coin.... I may have to go to the local swimming pool that was visited by Paris Hilton and run my own $5 per contact "special event station"  [​IMG]  .

    KR4WM
     
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