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The First MotoTrbo Ham Repeater In New York City

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by W2KTU, May 2, 2010.

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  1. W2KTU

    W2KTU Ham Member QRZ Page

    Frank Dinaro KC2CQR and freinds put up the first MotoTrbo Ham Repeater in the New York City metropolitan area. Coverage Includes Parts of NJ, Connecticut & Long Island. We are also connected via internet the possibilities are unlimited.

    This MOTOTRBO Group is dedicated to the Amateur Radio Community, not the commercial sector. Mototrbo utilizes TDMA (Time Division Multiple Access) digital voice, messaging, and GPS radio technologies, in addition to analog. Our system is open to all Amateur Radio Operators who have MotoTrbo compatible radios. Join us
  2. K3GAU

    K3GAU Ham Member QRZ Page

    YEP, just what we need!

    YEP, just what we need in ham radio, another high priced pretty much single manufacturer digital communication system like D-star with trunking and internet connectitity, etc. :(
  3. K7MHI

    K7MHI XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    the only one here who sold out the most is this chick..


    she had to get tattoos of Motorola logo for her job. that sucks.

    yea I 2nd the technology un-wow I dont see how its cool that radio systems are connected to the internet to be useful, until the codec's are open source and the technology is unified this is just another product for people to have fun with, but I really dont see how this "advances" the hobby.
  4. KL7AJ

    KL7AJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Let's keep the AMATEUR in Amateur Radio.
  5. K7JEM

    K7JEM Ham Member QRZ Page

    You think that guy behind her is trying to look down her dress?
  6. K2TFT

    K2TFT Guest

    He might need MORE glasses:eek:
  7. N8LWF

    N8LWF Ham Member QRZ Page

    I sure don't want to rain on anyone's parade, who am I to judge?

    But - Well said. Amateur Radio was literally built by hams themselves. When I was in the Boy Scouts (aaaages ago) the father of the scoutmaster was ham, (Tom Gloystein, was his name). He was amazing. He would QSO in SSB without even turning the VFO on. I have no idea how he did it.

    He built everything he had, as much as he could. As I look back, it must have been pre-WWII stuff. (he was born ca1900-10?) The transmitter took an entire relay rack and was mostly all open. ("Don't touch anything!"). That made a permanent impression on me.

    It wouldn't be much fun for me if all the hobby consisted of was just buying stuff and using it.
  8. K4FLH

    K4FLH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Too Many Single Manufacturer Specific Systems

    I need another manufacturer specific system about as much as a fish needs a bicycle! :rolleyes:
    When will it end? Oh! when WE quit buying into the sales hype.
    IMHO keep MotoTrbo in NYC!
    Non illegitimis carborundum
  9. N3FKS

    N3FKS Ham Member QRZ Page

    I can't believe they're trying to sell us this.
    Commercial wireless ripped out TDMA 8 years ago.
    I do CW 95% of the time anyway. That was standardized about 120 years ago.
  10. KD6KXR

    KD6KXR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Does the CQR repeater use the trbo digital mode? Is mototrbo Digital voice a part 97 accepted scheme? Is there any publicly available documentation on this particular digital protocol? This discussion came up recently in another forum. As I understand it Motorola has the protocol specification under proprietary lock and key== only developers licensed and certified by motorola can access the protocol? Is this still true?

  11. W2GLD

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    It's interesting to see how many hams seem to bash just about every new technology that comes down the pipeline simply because it doesn't fit personal agenda. In fact, as a group, it we do not embrace the experimentation in these technologies. ham radio will simply die and cease to exist for future generations; which may be fine for some of you old timers out there who are CW or wide-band analog junkies, but for those coming into the hobby with a fresh perspective; these technologies are a step in the right direction! You can choose to play, or simple continue doing what YOU enjoy in the hobby and allow those who wish to experiment the ability to do so and continue to growth of this fine hobby...

    Digital is here to stay, whether it be D-Star, MotoTRBO, or Project-25; get use to it and move on...

    Way to go New Yorkers, keep moving forward...
  12. N4XTS

    N4XTS Ham Member QRZ Page

    this why ham radio's days are numbered.

    it isn't the hospitals, the part 90 encroachment, the ARRL,

    it's the closed minded, living in the past old farts who refuse to accept that we are supposed to be on the forefront of communications technology. The same people who forget about our service existing to provide a trained technically minded pool of radio operators ready to be called upon to serve their communities in times of need also neglect the part about advancing the art of radio communication as spelled out in our basis and purpose in part 97 it appears.

    So we should just stick to using 50 year old analog FM, HF and not experiment with anything that might actually have any intrinsic technical value? What is the big deal here? Let me guess you all are opposed to IMBE, AMBE, OFDM,VOIP, and anything else that might actually require YOU to become technically competent and proficient with MODERN RADIO COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY and not your brass keys, vacuum tubes, and Gonsets?

    If all we do is jaw jack on 50 year old technology occupying 40 billion dollars worth of spectrum exchanging post cards...what is the point to us even existing anymore?
  13. N4XTS

    N4XTS Ham Member QRZ Page

    ETSI has introduced a 2-slot TDMA standard known as DMR. Vertex Standard says they will have DMR products and FNE out this quarter. It's not hard to see that the ETSI DMR standard is very close to MotoTRBO in spec and bandwidth. With Vertex being owned by Motorola, it's only logical that one of two things will happen:

    1)-the DMR standard will be modified to fit TRBO the same way Ma M convinced TIA to allow CQPSK and other MotoTWEAKS to P25 phase I.

    2)-Motorola will add compatibility into future system releases of TRBO FNE, and mating firmware updates to subscriber radios to become compatible with the ETSI DMR standard.

    As far as part 97, I don't see any restrictions on using TDMA do you?. So long as the transmissions do not utilize encryption and properly identify, there should not be an issue. The bandwidth is 6.25KHz, much more efficient use of spectrum than our legacy wideband standard we use now (and everyone else from 30-512MHz will be abandoning in 2013 sans GMRS)
  14. KD8EAD

    KD8EAD Ham Member QRZ Page


    Even if some think this is useless, I think it is great, they are experimenting and trying something new.

    If this post was about a new 2 meter repeater, there would be people on here complaining that they cannot get into the repeater on a quarter watt on a portable 50 miles away or something.

    Also, the whole thing about ham radio and internet is very annoying, just because the internet is not a reliable communications source. We are not police or fire or EMA or whatever.... Just experimenters. Amateur is just a hobby.

    I have many repeaters linked together and I have learned over the past few years "if you build it, they will complain".

    I think it is awesome that you guys are experimenting with MotoTurbo, good luck!

    Just remember, everything has its place in ham radio. DStar, APRS, HF, Repeaters, CW, ect. just because you do not like it does not mean that everyone else does not... Just depends on what your into!

    Justin, KD8EAD
  15. KB9MWR

    KB9MWR Ham Member QRZ Page

    While I do feel that there needs to be standards, and that there are to many non-interoperable digital radio systems right now.....

    I do believe you have best summarized how I feel. Thank you.

  16. KR2D

    KR2D Ham Member QRZ Page

    Eventually, one of the standards will "win" the market, and the rest will fall by the wayside. That's the way it always goes. Eventually, there will be a de-facto digital voice standard in amateur radio - it just hasn't been chosen by the market (us) yet. Give it time.
  17. W2JOE

    W2JOE Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thank you very much W2GLD you said it right!

    People have a hard time accepting change...W2GLD you hit on all cylinders with your post kudos to you:)...We are having a whole lot of fun here in NYC with this. The coverage people involved etc...It's a great growing technology it's simply awesome..And by the way all are welcome to join us!/group.php?gid=112582768753925 W2JOE...Joe

  18. KC2SIZ

    KC2SIZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Neither side of these debates ever makes the least effort to understand the other. If they did, then I suspect there'd be much less rancor and much more tolerant attitudes.

    The hams who complain about this stuff aren't "afraid" of technology. They simply don't think that the hobby is about all/any form of communications technology that pops up, and they believe that some forms of communications, when introduced into ham radio, run counter to the spirit of the hobby. This is not an indictment of the technology itself, mind you, just of its impact on ham radio.

    An analogy: Suppose you're a runner and you run the Boston Marathon every year when someone makes the following proposal: So long as participants in the marathon begin and/or end the race on foot, they can use other forms of transportation the rest of the time and still count has having completed the race. If someone really did make this proposal and it started catching on, I guarantee you that a lot of runners would be up in arms about it. Is this because they're afraid of the "automotive" technology that might be introduced into the marathon? No. They just think that having people ride around in cars defeats the purpose of the marathon, of their hobby. Nevertheless, if people could ride in cars for most of the race, lots of people who are currently unable to participate could join in. The contest would become safer and less strenuous for participants. People would complete the race in incredible new record times, etc.

    On the other hand, to those who complain about the incorporation of these newer technologies into ham radio, it's important to bear in mind people may have different views about the nature and goals of ham radio, and some people might just think that ham radio is about buying and using the most cutting edge communications technology available, whatever that happens to be. You might find this attitude offensive, but then it is up to you to either change their minds with arguments or learn to contain your frustration. Just issuing blanket condemnations of their actions is not going to persuade anyone that your view of the hobby is the correct one, and will only lead to more resentment.
  19. N2XJS

    N2XJS Ham Member QRZ Page

    The problem here is that W2KTU did not mean to start a debate or offend anyone by starting this thread...he simply put out the fact that there is a MOTOTRBO repeater located in NYC that has great coverage and ALL are invited to use. He even attached a link to a web page that has all the repeaters information, as well as its users.

    The first couple of replies started to rip the post a part. Whether its change or old time values...Momma always told me "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all!" But then this Ham community...If you say nothing but nice things to people, you'll either end up being very quiet, or a liar!

    Enjoy the hobby gentlemen!

    73 de N2XJS
  20. KC2CQR

    KC2CQR Ham Member QRZ Page

    just enjoy the hobby and go with it.

    If it were to some of the old timers Ham radio would still be as it was in the beginning. What some of you need to understand is ham radio is for everyone who is licenced. We want to get new people into the hobby. Kid's , teenagers, men ,women, everyone or the hobby will die. MotoTrbo is here to stay so get used to it. I am not asking anyone for any money, god knows some of you still have the first dime you got from the tooth fairy. The option is there if you want it. ......kc2cqr
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