Sherwood tests the FTdx-3000

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  1. KO6WB

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    The results of the receiver testing on the new FTdx-3000 is finally posted on Sherwood Engineering Receiver Test Data site; http://www.sherweng.com/table.html.
    It appears to be somewhat of a disappointment with specifications below the FTdx-5000, K3, KX3 and notably the TS-590S. The expectations were this would be very close to the better offerings from Yaesu, it isn't quite there.
    How does this pertain to the introduction of the Flex 6000 series who have very good receiver performance even on their low end model?
    Will this cast a shadow on the upcoming TS-990S?
    I don't think we have reached the peak of receiver performance just yet.
    There are other considerations for purchasing a rig with receiver performance being just a part of the process. Perhaps the FTdx-3000 has a much better IMD on transmit or some other features that haven't been covered yet.
    So what do you all think?
    73
    Gary
     
  2. N1JGE

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    In the short time I played and compared it at HRO I was not impressed. However it was only a short time and I have not made any final conclusions except the front looks fake.
     
  3. KB4MNG

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    With the price of the radio, If I bought one, I would be ticked off. With todays technology and knowledge, they should know what the performance is when they design the thing. All receivers today should at least be equal to a vintage rig such as the TS 950 but that is not the case.

    kb4mng
     
  4. N0NB

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    Some thoughts come to mind.

    Built to a price point?

    Marketing over engineering?

    Regardless of its specs Yaesu will sell plenty of them. Many people will like it and find it a good deal and others will move on.

    Those that would really be disappointed may will be purchasers of the IC-7700. That is a very poor showing for a radio with a $7k MSRP! To be fair, do keep in mind that Rob's chart is sorted solely by the second to last column on the right. The IC-7700's numbers compare favorably to the top rigs on the chart but falls flat with its Narrow Spaced Dynamic Range of 2 kHz and thus gets a very low ranking. This is the key to understanding the Sherwood chart.
     
  5. N0NB

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    The table does not have the TS-950 that I could find. Do you have the specs for Narrow Spaced Dynamic Range handy?
     
  6. N3AWS

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    Well, I won't be buying one. It's been about 5 years since I bought a used Icom 756 Pro II and I must admit I was interested in the 3000. FLEX 6000 is still in the running, but more than likely I'll wait and see what Elecraft, Icom, and Ten Tec come out with.
     
  7. K0RGR

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    I'm a little surprised too, but the question is "how good is good enough". The 3000 is rated 2 dB better than my Ten Tec Omni VI+, which is my new standard of comparison. The Omni does everything I need it to do in the receiver department. Would I hear the improvement if I moved up to something a lot higher on the list? Maybe, but at what price? I have an R4C sitting on the bench. I will have to compare it to the Omni someday. He rates the R4C with an add on filter much higher.
     
  8. WB2WIK

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    ....but it's pretty!

    I did try out the 3000 at HRO and although I didn't think it was a killer rig, it's cute and pretty.

    My Orion here at home is better and was about the same price point I think.

    Anyway, it's a big world. Some like chocolate, some like vanilla, and Baskin-Robbins has them all covered.
     
  9. N3AWS

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    I would look for a killer rig to come from Ten Tec in the not too distant future.

    Gotta wonder what a K4 would bring to the table...
     
  10. K7JBQ

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    K2, K3, K4. I'm waiting for the K7.

    73,
    Bill

     
  11. WB2WIK

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    The K8 has great promise.

    K8di dit, K8di didn't. Hiccup.
     
  12. N9ZP

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    Looks like when the Flex 6000 series hits the market its going to leave its competition sucking wind. Here is a video of Steve Hicks (VP of engineering for Flex Radio) Explaining SDR and the Flex 6000 series. His part starts at 4:04. Good video if you got 30 or so minutes to kill.

    [video=youtube;xCdxAmMsoC4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCdxAmMsoC4[/video]
     
  13. N3AWS

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    Like the Rocky movies--when will it end????
     
  14. KA4DPO

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    Oh sure but does it have a roofing filter?
     
  15. N1JGE

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    I agree, there has to more when considering a new rig. The numbers on the FT 950 make it look like a real winner at 25% the cost of the IC 7700 and I know the FT 950 is not in the same class as my old TS 830 S.
     
  16. N0AZZ

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    There is no need for a K4 yet the K3 still leads the pack if you look at all the numbers across the board and those are the old numbers. I would very much like to see the current versions for the FT-5000 and the K3 with latest hardware and 4.61 firmware over the 4 year old, one same for the intro (2010) on the 5000 before any firmware upgrades and there were many that helped greatly.

    Then take into account the second receiver no other radio offers what the K3 does same as the main with up to 5 8 pole filters. I don't know about Ten Tec they have fallen behind in the market where once they held a good share for a small company but Elecraft has taken much of there customer base on new sales. Not just them either Yaesu had to step up also with the 5000 to meet the K3 Icom has yet to respond but surely will. There are a majority of hams that consider a radio that will not operate without a computer and a non consideration I can understand that.

    There is one area that no one in the industry can match Elecraft on and that drives their sales as much as it's products and that is customer support and constant improvement for them. They listen every day to what their customers have to say and do something about it as far as new features and improvements through firmware. The owners of the company are on the reflector every day as are the techs and the same way when you call them for something. That is where they have it all over the competition plus some of the very best products out there.
     
  17. KB3LAZ

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    A need for a K4, no, not really but I would like to see one. Not with the intent to replace the K3 but rather to sell as an alternative. Something larger. Particularly for those of us without a need for a smaller footprint and who would like a rig that is dedicated to the shack. In that case I would likely end up with both the K3 and a K4.

    So, something about twice the size, band buttons, a few more knobs with less emphasis on menu control, etc. Seeings how Elecraft is into the module scene, a 160-6m rig would make a fine starting point with optional modules for 2/70/220 and MAYBE 1.2g. Or for that matter, maybe just stick with the K3 and bring out a Elecraft KVU or something. A nice 2m/70/220 all mode. Again with possible option for 1.2g.

    Meh, but they are not there to sell rigs that tickle my fancy alone. Does not cost anything to think about such things though. :p
     
  18. N2ADV

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    I hope they come out with a K4 - maybe then I will be able to afford a K3 lol
     
  19. WA6MHZ

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    While the K3 might be the best performer, it just doesn't have the Aesthics the 5K has. It reminds me of a TS-570D. Very plain, monchrome LCD with just the basic info on it. Small number of knobs. Meanwhile, the 5K is just Spectacular!!! I played with one side by side the FT-3K up at HRO yesterday, pretending I might buy one. The 3K is a nice size, and the LCD is wonderful. So I am so sad to hear it was VANQUISHED in the Sherwood tests! I almost was convinced to buy one, for about $2.7K. But now I am back to the 5K. When Elecraft comes out with a rig with LOTSA knobs and a great colorful LCD, then I will look over that way.

    As far as the Flex, I am firmly against a radio that you have to have a COMPUTER hooked to to use! That isn't a Radio! That is a computer with a Radio adapter!
     
  20. WA8UEG

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    I have a K9 I'll sell you, I have to warn you it weights 80 pounds and eats 4 cups of food a day. Good thing is it's very sensitive.
     
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