Repeaters On Mt. Mitchell (NC) To Be Removed.

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  1. KJ4FVV

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    Per owner of several of the repeaters (WA4BVW), all repeaters have to be removed from Mount Mitchell by the end of July. According to Ken, WA4BVW, the Mt. Mitchell 2 meter repeater [145.190-] will have it's 27 year anniversary this June. It is home of the 6600 net on Saturday nights, which has check-ins from NC, SC, TN, Georgia. The repeater has great coverage. When I got my ticket, this was the first repeater I made a contact on with NC4TN. I have not been a ham for very long, but I really enjoyed what time I have had on the repeater, especially the 6600 net.

    Repeaters:
    http://www.wcars.org/repeaters.html

     
  2. N4SVA

    N4SVA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Any word on the reason? Would be a sad loss. I talked on that repeater just last year and had coverage well into Georgia on I-85.


    Hope it is not some environazi group worried about the effects of RF on the spruce or something.
     
  3. KB5SXC

    KB5SXC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Mt. Mitchell (NC) Repeaters...

    I would, also, like to know the reason for their removal. ARES use, and Access to such a Repeater should trump any other reason.
     
  4. K4PLP

    K4PLP Ham Member QRZ Page

    What a loss this will be. As far as coverage this repeater is truly one of a kind. Bunch of great folks too.
    73's to all
     
  5. KF4ACB

    KF4ACB Ham Member QRZ Page

    Is there any more news on this. I'm finding this really hard to swallow !:mad:
     
  6. N8FXH

    N8FXH Ham Member QRZ Page

    bad news

    I have used this repeater several times and enjoyed the hike to the repeater site. What great Coverage. Why is it being moved?....Hal
     
  7. W4ENC

    W4ENC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Interesting that the general manager of Blue Ridge Broadcasting who is DEMANDING (with NO reason) the repeaters be removed forgot that Franklin Graham is kinda tied to WMIT which buildings house the repeaters. Last I checked F.G.'s Samaritan's purse is involved in disaster operations. This could turn into a PR nightmare for Blue Ridge Broadcasting.:eek:
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2009
  8. KF4ACB

    KF4ACB Ham Member QRZ Page

    The devil is in the details and we have absolutely none !:confused:
     
  9. KE4GBH

    KE4GBH Ham Member QRZ Page

    wa4bvw repeaters

    the removal of the repeaters will definetly be a burden to communication in the area,we have vacationed in franklin nc. since 1971 and sorrounding areas and visited N4PQH which went SK in jan. of this year and used the repeater since licensed in 1993,,,what a great coverage link...RIP N4PQH .....KE4GBH
     
  10. K2JB

    K2JB XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Save the Mt Mitchell Repeaters

    The General Manager of WMIT has ordered that all amateur equipment be removed from their facility which has housed repeaters per gratis on Clingman's Peak (Nr Mt Mitchell) for 27 years.

    WMIT is owned by Blue Ridge Broadcasting which is part of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. We don't know why they have been asked to leave. The high-road answer is that this is probably an uninformed decision.

    But we do know that contacting Dr. Franklin Graham with a straightforward, polite and meaningful mesage regarding the impact this decision will have on the amateur community may help reverse this decision. Dr. Graham is the founder of Samaritan's Purse a disaster relief organization. He should understand the benefit of amateur radio and also be in a position to effect a decision.

    Please contact him via his executive secretary at - rwinkler@samaritan.org and express your concerns.

    Dean Blair ~ k2jb
    Western Carolina Amateur Radio Society President
    k2jb@bellsouth.net
     
  11. KI4WCA

    KI4WCA Ham Member QRZ Page

    Please Help

    The Mt Mitchell machine provides coverage which is irreplaceable in WNC.The degree that the removal will adversely affect emergency operations is considerable.Skywarn and other groups will lose a serious asset.Those who live here in WNC understand that in the mountains, when things get rough, we need every asset we can get for communications.Cell coverage is simply not an option in many places here still.
    Please send your polite request to keep the machine on the air to rwinkler@samaritan.org

    Thanks for your help
    Michael Brown
    Vice President WCARS
     
  12. N4MXZ

    N4MXZ Ham Member QRZ Page


    Sadly, there will probably be no significant PR damage at all.
    I was the Chief Engineer of a television station in the 1980s that had a 1700+ ft super tower. One day the owner decided to take everything off of the tower, including commercial 2 way and a wide area coverage 2m repeater. No reason was ever given that I knew of. There was little or no public backlash.
     
  13. KE6ANM

    KE6ANM Ham Member QRZ Page

    rightwing wackjob closes repeaters

    gee, another case of ASS-UMING
    GUESS ITS A RIGHT-WING JESUS-NAZI THIS TIME.
    HEH HEH HEH
    PERFECT JUSTICE.
     
  14. KA5S

    KA5S Subscriber QRZ Page

    Who else uses that site?

    Radio Reference shows a large number of users within 0.1 miles.

    FWIW, this may be something as simple as the need to lease donated antenna locations on WMIT's mast to paying tenants. Everyone is scrimping for dollars these days.


    Cortland
    KA5S
     
  15. KF7CG

    KF7CG Ham Member QRZ Page

    More Ripples

    I am quite sure that this would have a harmful effect on any local South BEARS operations in the coverage area. South BEARS is the Southern Baptist Emergency Amateur Radio Service and is an equivalent of SATERN. Since the whole Graham organization has roots into the Southern Baptists this is indeed strange.

    I wonder if it has ties to Amateur Radio now being part of Homeland Security and the additional Federal scutiny and access that may derive from that. Many things to speculate on without details.

    KF7CG
     
  16. KB5SXC

    KB5SXC Ham Member QRZ Page

    So, from the content of the Posts below....

    I should conclude that WMIT is looking for their Thirty pieces of Silver.
    Typical.
     
  17. W5LVB

    W5LVB Ham Member QRZ Page

    Not sure if this may be the 'actual' reason, but have some experience with this sort of thing....

    IF Clingman's is a GOVT (USFS?) communications site, then there may be a misunderstanding between parties, as to the status of the WMIT site as it relates to 'commercial-leased space' or 'non-commercial-donated space'.

    I have several repeaters is western Arkansas on a USFS COMM SITE. The repeaters are located in a building belonging to a natural gas company's communication system. The gas company pays a fixed fee to the USFS for this site under a certain permit definition. If they allow someone else to occupy the same building and place radios/antennas on that same site, then the definition of their operation changes to the 'commercial-leased space' permit. This would cost them THOUSANDS of dollars in permit fees, above what they are already paying.

    Since our group is a 'not-for-profit / public service organization' and the gas company doesn't charge us anything for the space, the USFS (at least in our area) doesn't see that as a 'commercial' venture. We USED to have to have our own permit (there is a permit specifically for Amateur Radio) for the site ($89.00/yr). But, at our last site inspection, the USFS communications specialist decided that since we were not operating a SEPARATE site (building/tower) from an already permitted operation, that we were NOT REQUIRED to maintain our own permit for that same site. Saves us $$ and the USFS paperwork!

    I hope they settle this quickly/quietly and allow the repeaters to stay. I have visisted the area MANY times and hiked the Clingman's trail. Love the BRM area.

    GOOD LUCK GUYS!

    W5LVB
     
  18. KI4OFH

    KI4OFH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Truly hard to believe.

    I have used the 145.190 MHz machine on several occasions. This repeater has some awesome coverage. I live in the central part of the state NC; approximately 165 miles from the transmitter site. This repeater has also been known to easily cover the Pigeon Forge and Knoxville, Tennessee area. This would give my VHF radio an effective range of over 250 miles.
    Also, I normally make a yearly exodus to my home state Tennessee for the annual Ten-Tec hamfest. This is a perfect chance to use the Mt. Mitchell repeater in the mobile.
    I will miss this machine.
    It leaves a great opportunity for someone to fill a great need.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2009
  19. N3PXU

    N3PXU Ham Member QRZ Page

    I blame the Democrats

    I live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, and have made it into the machine several times and have met some very fine people thru this repeater. I sure hope that this can be resolved before the machine goes qrt. I blame the Democrats
     
  20. K7JEM

    K7JEM Ham Member QRZ Page

    One comment. The USFS and BLM have set fees for communications sites, based on the population covered. Amateur radio operations are in the very lowest category, and are a fixed rate, regardless if they are set up as non-profit or not. Adding an amateur repeater to anyone's site will not increase the FS fees to that user, since the FS fees are based on the highest level of use in that site. It's kind of complicated to explain, but the most a ham repeater would ever have to pay would be somewhere around $100 per year, and most of the time they pay nothing, if located in a site with more "valuable" users.

    Joe
     
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