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QSL - How many non-members of the RSGB know about this change?

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by GW0HUS, Apr 25, 2012.

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  1. GW0HUS

    GW0HUS Ham Member QRZ Page

    Changes to the RSGB QSL bureau operation that were detailed in the December 2011 RadCom have now taken effect. Volunteers now despatch, where possible, all available incoming cards to members and pay-to-receive users on a quarterly basis. Currently they are sending out their last batch of cards to non-members, together with the return of unused collection envelopes and details of how to access the new scheme. All members with more than one active callsign, especially those in the M3, M6, 2 and M0 series, urgently need to visit the RSGB website and update their membership details, if they have not already done so. To avoid envelopes being returned incorrectly and cards lost, this information is vital. It would be most helpful if those who do not collect traditional QSL cards change the wording of any entry to include the wording “No bureau cards”. Please note that all NOV holders of GB Special Event and abbreviated single letter callsigns must be registered to a valid member or affiliated Society in order to continue sending and receiving cards. To update your information visit or telephone RSGB headquarters

    So as I see it not only do you have to send stamped self addressed envelopes, (which I have no problem with) you now have to pay a fee just to get someone to send them to you
    WHY BOTHER ....


    Yet another tax on the pensioners,/ seniors (stamps going up by yet another unacceptable amount this month as well !! )
  2. M5AKA

    M5AKA Ham Member QRZ Page

    You have the choice of being a member of the National Society in which case there is no charge or else you pay the costs of using the Bureau. You don't get something for nothing.

    If you don't want to pay the costs of sending pieces of card around the world then use LoTW or eQSL.
  3. GD0OUD

    GD0OUD XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    As paying member, I have never understood why non-members got their cards via the bureau for free.

    This is a good move in my opinion, as I have heard one non-member saying "QSL via the bureau". When challenged on this, the reply was: "I'm not bothered, I'll get a card anyway", with no intention of sending a card to the station worked.

    It is a fact of life that costs rise, and the RSGB needs to be spending the members money to the best interest of the society and it's members. There are as M5AKA states, at least two free methods of sending a QSL if you don't support the traditional methods.
  4. AA6RE

    AA6RE Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    QSL is getting expensive iy one wants a paper QSL that is acceptible for awards and DXCC. LOTW is fine but my return rate is very very low plus I do not have the enjoyment of receiving a paper QSL/confirmation, often with a nice photograph of the ham or his/her station or of the location.

    I am disappointed that we can not send i images for QSL that could be printed out if desired on nice glossy stock just like photographs are. Technology is not the issue as credit card transaction occur over the net with security and authorization. Why the major world wide Ham societies have not put their need out to the open source software community to develope such a world wide data base and confirmation system is still a mystery to me.

    The LOTW system was a good attempt but many hams find the key security system so troubling that they give up on the system. I think it is fairly straightforward but many do not. With modern logging software systems an dPC hard ware so cheap we probably shouldl be doing a better job with QSLs.

    The volunter bureaus do a great job but it is expensive and people-power intensive. We need a more global system that individual hams, regardless of country society, could tap into for a small fee or no-fee.

    Postage rates are only going to go higher, I like to get a real QSL or at least an image that can be locally printed and used for all major awards.

    I'd rather spend my money on new equipement than postage stamps, IRCs and "Green" stamps.

    Dave AA6RE
  5. M0YMA

    M0YMA XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    I've got a name for this wonderful suggestion: :)

    It just needs a few more awards bodies to accept that AG eQSLs are as legimate (if not more so) than a piece of card sent thrpough the post
  6. G3WCY

    G3WCY Ham Member QRZ Page

    I still think that E-QSL cards should be accepted for awards, anyone who fakes a QSO/ QSL are only Cheating themselves. OK not every amateur has acces to the internet, so they would lose out in thatrespect, but no more of a hardship to get a paper QSL than it is now.
    dont know why some award managers / providers are so protective. just my opinion anyway.73
  7. N4ST

    N4ST XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    I'm a fan of paper QSL cards. I've been collecting them for +40 years. If someone doesn't want to QSL or can't afford to, fine, that's their business, but I would appreciate them listing their preference on QRZ. I do expect paper QSL cards to become a thing of the past, which is one reason I collect them even more faithfully. I haven't sent a card in for an award in many years, preferring to go the LoTW route for awards. I find the QSL return rate is very good for LoTW, especially for digital modes, contests and DXpeditions which is where I work all of the "new ones" anyway.
  8. AA6RE

    AA6RE Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Yes I know about the eQSL system but until DCCC/WAS accepts them it really is a non starter as a universal system despite the excellent service they provide.
  9. G4LHT

    G4LHT Ham Member QRZ Page

    I think in light of the modern means to confirm a contact, that the card sending brigade of which I belong should take on board the Tree to paper ratio along with the time of the volunteers and not complain about stumping up for the extra money levied on receiving/sending a paper QSL card or the price of subscription if not inclusive to that countries scheme.

    That said, new ways of confirming hard worked QSL's/DX should be adopted by the bodies that issue these said awards, especially for those that try and seek them via the electronic route and are not lending to the furthence of felling forests.

  10. 2E0BPP

    2E0BPP XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    Who said it was just non-members who get their envelopes returned? I am a member, my details are up to date but I still received all my envelopes back. I've sent what's left back and await another return.

    I cannot understand why the awards do not accept eQSL. I have a number of QSL cards that are inaccurate. Wrong call, wrong location, IOTA number incorrect and IOTA on a card where the ham is not on an island (unless their callsign is wrong).

    I also have a DXCC that I have not worked.

    Another thing is the inaccurate information on

    In my opinion I do like new DXCC, Zones IOTAs etc but cheating is like cheating at patience, a waste of time.

    As a relative newbie to Ham radio but 40 years in the computer industry the hobby is not really up to date. It seems the administrators aren't in favour of change.

    A comment about printing nice images direct from your log why not try GlobalQSL?
  11. EI7GM

    EI7GM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I don't see a problem with non-members paying for the BURO service which is performed by un-paid volunteers.
    The volunteers' efforts then go towards earning a few shillings for the society.
    Obviously, whatever the fee is, it should be reasonable for both sides not just the society.
  12. KL7JR

    KL7JR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Like who cares? The UK isn't rare DX, hi hi!
  13. G4PKP

    G4PKP Ham Member QRZ Page

    I feel most strongly that all amateurs should be members of their national societies. If you want the benefits, pay your dues. I was never a union lover but if you don't want the benefits, negotiate your own terms of employment with the bosses!! See how far you get. Some people like to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds. That's the trouble with today's society, take take and more take and no give.
    John G4PKP
  14. KI6LZ

    KI6LZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I would like to stop expats that go to wanted entities to get green stamps to pay for their 9000s and big antennas.they have to be weaned off.......
  15. M5EXY

    M5EXY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Well said that man!
  16. G8KHS

    G8KHS Ham Member QRZ Page

    Radio society benefits

    I see your negotiation point on joining the RSGB John, but blowing £200K of the members money on a shed in Milton Keynes isn't going to encourage long term membership of the society.

    As for your statement about "todays society, take take take", well that's what's happened with the foundation licence.
    Most of the FL licencees can't be arsed to upgrade to intermediate or full because they have what they want now - FULL access to all amateur bands and no-one regulates what power they run. Many openly admit this on the air.

    I feel strongly too that all amateurs should belong to their societies, but as the RSGB has a policy of promoting radio to the lazy, the inept and children then it is sowing the seeds of it's own destruction.

    Unless it wakes up.

    73 John G8KHS
  17. KI6LZ

    KI6LZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I kinda of figured that you guys/gals are as crazy as we are..Opine..Opine .....oPINE wELL wE SOMEHOW HAVE FUN
  18. G4PKP

    G4PKP Ham Member QRZ Page

    I also feel the same as you about FL's but I think it was instigated by the makers of the black boxes who were seeing their sales figures falling and thought if we give licenses away like green shield stamps, our bottom line will rocket and we can continue flogging our gear. Jap business developement depends on "built in obsolesence" The radios they sell today were designed 3 or 4 years ago, like their cameras, cars, tv's and every other damn thing.
    Maybe I'm becoming a cynic in my old age!
    John G4PKP
  19. GM4FVM

    GM4FVM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I used to be employed designing and running big distribution systems for organisations employing thousands of staff. All of these and similar distribution systems (postal, courier, etc) work on two principles:-
    1) If you want your (unsolicited) item to arrive, the sender has to pay.
    2) If you want to receiver to accept it, they must not have to pay to receive it.
    Think about it, the post office, FedEx, etc., they all work on the "sender pays" idea. This is based on simple research which shows:-
    a) The sender is the one with the need to ensure that it arrives and (crucially)
    b) The recipient usually does not pay (so when an unexpected letter turns up with underpaid postage to pay, the recipient usually refuses to take it from the postie).

    Human nature. The person with the need to send pays, and the recipient won't take it in if they have to pay for it (cos they probably don't need a packet full of QSL cards).

    Now, all those guys who have wondered all these years why the RSGB did not charge people who are not memebrs to receive cards now know why - because if you do that, it just does not work. Sure, those who are already RSGB members can feel grand, and rubbish those who get a service but do not pay. But once you introduce the idea that some people can get cards and some can't, then you are on the road to ruin.

    If you are a DXer, and an RSGB member, just remember that as this practice spreads, the chance of YOUR outgoing card reaching the other end will be severely reduced by this. I hope you feel happy about that.

    What the RSGB does today, the other societies will do tomorrow. Goodbye paper cards (which might be time enough really). I paid my donation to eQSL, and I have no problem at all if some people get their eQSLs without joining. It is in my interests for the system to work, so I pay my share for it. It is always in the interests of the SENDERS of the cards to pay, and never in their interests for the RECIPIENTS to decide whether to participate or not. Still, if it makes you feel good to say things about the old system along the lines that it was a "free" service to non-members, good enough. The senders will lose out in the long run.

    Just think, you put a stamp on a letter before you send it. If the payer has to pay anything to receive it, generally they refuse to accept the item. Do not blame me for telling you this, it is already common knowledge amongst all mail systems everywhere.

    Progress thanks to the modern RSGB. Brilliant.

  20. G8KHS

    G8KHS Ham Member QRZ Page

    QSL Bureau

    "Progress thanks to the modern RSGB. Brilliant."

    Thoughtful post Jim, this is part of what they call "marketing", turning the RSGB into a one stop shop for amateur radio, their words not mine.
    Just one of the reasons I terminated my subscription last month.
    £240K is spent on the NRC "shed" plus solicitors bills and then they penny pinch on the qsl bureau.

    eQSL is the way forward, the bureau has been given it's death sentence.

    73 John G8KHS eQSL donator
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