Discussion in 'Discussions, Opinions & Editorials' started by G0VQY, Dec 3, 2010.

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  1. G0VQY

    G0VQY Ham Member QRZ Page

    It still amazes me that every day you hear people calling CQ using the "Q" code incorrectly. I have just been listening to the ZL8 expedition and one of the guys is calling "QRZ Europe". If you follow the "Q" code correctly, that actually translates into "who is calling Europe?" Which actually doesn't mean anything. You would have thought that guys that have been selected for these expeditions would know how to operate properly?
  2. AD7N

    AD7N Ham Member QRZ Page

    is it "QRZ Europe" or "QRZ Europe?"?
    If he's getting a pileup and and is decoding a partial European call in a mass of US hams, calling "QRZ Europe?" could be meant as a filter for that particular pileup.

    However, semantically "CQ Europe CQ Europe" would be more appropriate if he's asking explicitly for European hams when initiating the call.

    semantically, of course :D
  3. DJ1YFK

    DJ1YFK Guest

    Asking "QRZ Europe?" is absolutely correct in this context. No need to call CQ if people are calling already. The ZL8X guys know what they're doing, and they are doing a fabulous job.
  4. K9STH

    K9STH Ham Member QRZ Page

    Unfortunately, when spoken, the question mark is not visible and therefore a few operators may not "catch" the inflection in the voice which indicates the presence of the question mark! :rolleyes:

    Glen, K9STH
  5. WB2WIK

    WB2WIK Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    QRZ's used a lot on phone. I just about never use any Q signals on phone, it just seems silly.

    Instead of "QRZ Europe?" saying, "Europe only please" and standing by provides a stronger message with the same five syllables.
  6. WM3O

    WM3O Ham Member QRZ Page

    i'm sure "Europe only please" works great if English is your first language.
  7. W2ZB

    W2ZB Guest

    QLF & ZZZ

    I know some of you ot's will remember using QLF.

    And you old military types will remember using ZZZ.
  8. K3XR

    K3XR Ham Member QRZ Page

    Some might argue that the Q code was never intended for phone work, that may be so, however, long tradition would dictate otherwise, and there's no harm done. What is more difficult to explain is QRZ being used when CQ would be more appropriate.
  9. WB2WIK

    WB2WIK Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Q codes are definitely used on phone, and have been for the 45 years I've been a ham.

    What I don't understand is why anyone uses them when plain language will work fine and would actually be faster. I like "brevity" when it can be used.:)

    I was so glad to see the majority of CW operators switch from "name hr is" or even "name hr" or even "name" to simply "op." "Ur 599 hr QTH Los Angeles op Steve." It's faster and gets the message across just perfectly.

    Of course, I never understood why anyone would send "QTH HR IS," when "QTH" already means "my location is..."

    People waste a lot of words. In a rag chew when condx are good, I guess it really doesn't matter. But when condx are fading fast and signals are weak, brevity works better.

    On phone, too.
  10. G0GQK

    G0GQK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Maybe none of you have heard the plaintif cry "QRZ the frequency, QRZ the frequency, UA*****. There used to be a Russian character on 20 metres with a voice like gravel who did this, I can hear him now ! But its used often by those who speak not the language of those who created an empire where the sun never set ! Perhaps they believe that QRZ is a substitute for CQ. Dunno.

  11. W0UZR

    W0UZR Ham Member QRZ Page

    I just say "CQ Europe" Or "Calling Europe" Everyone seems to know what I want. I don't like the Q codes either. QSL?
    I CAN'T STAND that QSL. I avoid talking to someone that says QSL constantly. If someone I'm talking to someone that says that, I say, "You want me to QSL? Is that what you are trying to say?"
  12. W5HTW

    W5HTW Ham Member QRZ Page

    That is probably the one thing on amateur radio voice operation that I hate the most! Using QSL as "over, did you copy me?" To me that is pathetic!

    However, Q-signals have been used on ham radio voice for decades and decades. Around the end of World War II, hams were expected to more closely adhere to standard military procedures. That was to insure they had the abilitily to fit in where and when needed, in taking over a government communications role.

    In recent years hams had moved far away from such a standard role. We began to "do it our own way." As a former military/government operator that is still hard for me to accept. But it has happened.

    I can't handle the QSL, though, as "over." That comes from "going to town, Joe, ten four?" "Yeah, I'm going bowling, ten four." "Good I might join you, ten four?"

    It's the same thing. A real pain.

    Most of the things I hear on two meters don't bother me. That's the way the cookie bounces.

  13. K7JBQ

    K7JBQ Moderator QRZ Page

    I second that. First rate ops.


  14. W2ZB

    W2ZB Guest

    That's been my theory as well, that the "QSL over" "QSL?" "Nice rig Joe, QSL" crowd brought that nasty habit with them from 27 mHz.

    Do you one better though. Not too long ago I had an op with a brand new KJ4... call sign correct me when I stated, "My handle is George." He informed me that the term "handle" was a CB term, and that I should refrain from using it on ham radio. What this tells me is that we have come full circle.

    Speaking of full circle and old timers, I remember when 11 meters was an amateur band.

    Different subject. Your cat Porky/Ditty Kitty looks like a long-hair. One of our cats, Muffin, was a long hair, and she shed much. She also enjoyed the heat given off by the ham gear.
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