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Please tell me what is the purpose of Halloween, and why is Halloween tolerated ?

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  1. KD7SIZ

    KD7SIZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    There must be something that I am missing in my understanding of Halloween. Maybe someone could explain to me what is good about Halloween.

    Halloween seems to me to be something that one would want to keep their kids away from, instead of encouraging their kids to participate in.

    I think that there is enough real horror in any one week within the TV news these days, to satisfy anyone's need for the horror simulations that are expressed within Halloween.

    Why do we need organized and planned horror simulations, as occurs in Halloween, when there is so much real horror in the TV news ?

    I believe that some places around the world have gotten ride of Halloween.

    My vote is to get ride of Halloween. Maybe if Halloween was gone, then for some mysterious reason then the TV news would have less real horror.
  2. KT7DAD

    KT7DAD Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    Purpose of Halloween is to support the candy industry, flash light industry and costume industry.....
  3. K8MHZ

    K8MHZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I'm thinkin' not.
  4. WB2WIK

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    Here ya go:

    Historian Nicholas Rogers, exploring the origins of Halloween, notes that while "some folklorists have detected its origins in the Roman feast of Pomona, the goddess of fruits and seeds, or in the festival of the dead called Parentalia, it is more typically linked to the Celtic festival of Samhain, whose original spelling was Samuin (pronounced sow-an or sow-in)".[1] The name is derived from Old Irish and means roughly "summer's end".[1] A similar festival was held by the ancient Britons and is known as Calan Gaeaf (pronounced Kálan Gái av).

    Snap-Apple Night by Daniel Maclise showing a Halloween party in Blarney, Ireland, in 1832. The young children on the right bob for apples. A couple in the center play a variant, which involves retrieving an apple hanging from a string. The couples at left play divination games.The festival of Samhain celebrates the end of the "lighter half" of the year and beginning of the "darker half", and is sometimes[2] regarded as the "Celtic New Year".[3]

    The ancient Celts believed that the border between this world and the Otherworld became thin on Samhain, allowing spirits (both harmless and harmful) to pass through. The family's ancestors were honoured and invited home while harmful spirits were warded off. It is believed that the need to ward off harmful spirits led to the wearing of costumes and masks. Their purpose was to disguise oneself as a harmful spirit and thus avoid harm. In Scotland the spirits were impersonated by young men dressed in white with masked, veiled or blackened faces.[4][5] Samhain was also a time to take stock of food supplies and slaughter livestock for winter stores. Bonfires played a large part in the festivities. All other fires were doused and each home lit their hearth from the bonfire. The bones of slaughtered livestock were cast into its flames.[6] Sometimes two bonfires would be built side-by-side, and people and their livestock would walk between them as a cleansing ritual.

    Another common practice was divination, which often involved the use of food and drink.

    The name 'Halloween' and many of its present-day traditions derive from the Old English era.[7][8][9]

    Origin of name
    The word Halloween is first attested in the 16th century and represents a Scottish variant of the fuller All-Hallows-Even ("evening"), that is, the night before All Hallows Day. Up through the early twentieth century, the spelling "Hallowe'en" was frequently used, eliding the "v" and shortening the word. Although the phrase All Hallows is found in Old English (ealra hálȝena mæssedæȝ, the feast of all saints), All-Hallows-Even is itself not attested until 1556.[10]<

    Lots more information is available if you look for it.
  5. KC0W

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    As long as we're in the politically correct vein regarding the subject of Halloween:

    Why the hell are they called MAN hole covers..................Shouldn't they be called PEOPLE hole covers? :)

    Tom KCØW
  6. KE5FRF

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    The purpose of Halloween is to have fun and get candy. It is a night where kids can have a little mischief "all in good fun".

    I don't ever remember any horror occurring for me as a child at Halloween time...just a bag full of sweet tarts and other assorted goodies that my mother had to go through to pick out the suspect stuff. Thats really the biggest horror of Halloween, that there are actually people who would hurt or poison children.

    Where do you live where Halloween is so full of horror? Camp Crystal Lake?
  7. WC5P

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    On a visit to Japan, I was asked to explain halloween to a gathering of Japanese folks. I tried my best, but I don't think they ever did get it. They thought it was some sort of a religous holiday, and I just couldn't seem to get across to them that it originated as a sort of anti-religous "festival".

    What's funny though, is that a lot of folks over there (mostly young adults) dress up in costumes on halloween, even though they have no clue what it's about.
  8. N5PAR

    N5PAR Ham Member QRZ Page

    No disrespect intended but how old are you and where have you lived all your life. Just about everyone knows the reason Halloween. To get candy.
    At least that's how I always thought of it as a kid back in the 50s and 60s. Also, how in the world would getting ride of Halloween create less horror in the news. Horrible things happen all the time.

    I actually think this is intended as a troll post. I don't see how anyone who has been around for more that a few years could think Halloween creates really horror.
  9. AD5MB

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    while we are on the subject...

    has anyone ever encountered an actual factual documented case of candy tampering?

    seems to happen about as often as people drowning due to stomach cramps when they swim too soon after eating.
  10. NZ2N

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    I'm not really a big fan of Halloween BUT it gives me a chance to dig out my awesome scary records. Thanks to our local junk shops and eBay, I've been able to find the same ones that terrified me as a stupid little kid and I have to admit, I could listen to these things all year long.
  11. N5PAR

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    Here is Houston about 25 or 30 years ago a man actually poisoned his own son on Halloween. He planted a Pixie stick(a plastic tube normally filled with powered candy) in the door of an empty house. He had poured out the contents and replaced it with cyanide. He actually did this with all three Pixie sticks. He gave one to his daughter and another kid making the rounds with them. The only one that ate the contents was his 8 or 9 year old son. After it was all said and done he did it to collect life insurance. He was executed for this crime 10 or 15 years after he was convicted.
  12. KD7SIZ

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    Instead of "people hole covers" or "man hole covers", what about "mankind hole covers".
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  13. KF5FEI

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    Who cares where it came from? It is one night of the year you get a free pass to scare the crap out of the neighbor kids and get rid of any out-of-date candy you have laying around.

    I still remember collecting darned near a whole pillowcase full of candy in my younger years. We probably walked 3-4 miles to get it. Sure did have trouble staying awake in school the next day.

    Since we don't have kids in our neighborhood any more, the men from the group home across the street aren't allowed to trick-or-treat and I refuse to give candy to kids who get driven into the nice neighborhoods from across town, we leave the light off and go out to eat.
  14. KD7SIZ

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    Much of the horror in the news is caused by intentional horror that is planned within the minds of a certain few people. Since Halloween represents a socially approved mental focusing on horror in general and also on horror images of all types, therefore by removing and ending Halloween then maybe there would be a general lowering of the level of mental focusing and planning of horror, and also a removal of a certain encouragement and approval of horror as expressed in all the Halloween horror images. Since most children ( and some adults ) live in a dream hypnotic zombie state most all of the time, then why should children ever be hypnotised with horror images as being acceptable and approved by society ?

    Maybe Halloween could be replaced with a "Help Your Neighbor" or "Give To Your Neighbor" Day.
  15. AG3Y

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    I remember when, as a kid, I used to go "trick or treat for Unicef!" Instead of expecting candy, we went out and hoped that the adults would give us money, which we turned around and gave to the organization. Of course, after we had gone around the neighborhood with the Unicef boxes, we would come back home, pick up the bags, and go back out to get the REAL goodies !

    Did make one feel good, though, somehow !
  16. K9STH

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    Yes, unfortunately, there have been numerous cases of candy "tampering". Around here many of the hospitals used to X-ray candy which was brought in after "trick or treating" on Halloween. It was an excuse to use up out of date X-ray film that would otherwise have to be thrown away. Almost every year, a few pieces of candy would show to have been tampered with somewhere in the Dallas/Ft. Worth "Metroplex". Usually the tampering consisted of putting a needle in a candy bar, or something similar.

    I have a "coffin" with an arrangement that can sit up that has a skeleton mask, flashing red LED eyes, and so forth that sits on the front porch. When the kids reach for some candy, which is in a bowl that sits on the coffin, I cause it to rise. It is run by pulling on a length of mono-filament fishing line. This will be the 39th time it has been used on Halloween. The neighborhood kids call it "Mister Bones"!

    I now have people who bring their grandchildren to see "Mister Bones" who were in their early teenage years the first few years. That does make one "feel old"! Cars will pull up in front of the house and I'll hear someone say, "I think this is the house". Then the parents or grandparents will accompany the children just to see "Mister Bones" in action. Frankly, "Mister Bones" has become such an icon that I believe I would be attacked if I didn't put it out!

    Glen, K9STH
  17. K7VV

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    Good grief,

    Halloween is the evening before All Saints Day, in which good Christians honor the Christian saints. The next day is All Souls Day, in which good Christians honor the souls of all the departed and pray for their entry into Heaven and God's forgiveness. Halloween was simply meant to prepare for the coming two days. Not surprisingly, it has non-Christian, pagan roots, as do almost all other Christian holidays and celebrations.
    Naturally a lot of 'so-called' Christians have perverted the evening into something quite different, as we have seen in the previous postings.
  18. K7MH

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    It is all about the Great Pumpkin.:)
  19. KD7SIZ

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    Please help educate me as to what you meant by your posted statement "I actually think this is intended as a troll post".

    I don't even know what a troll post is.

    What motivated me to make this post was mainly this casino in Las Vegas.

    During October every year Circus Circus Hotel Casino in Las Vegas converts it's very large children's amusement park at night from the name Adventuredome into the name Frightdome which is mainly for local Las Vegas kids, but adults also may and do go to it. I think that this Frightdome involves too many professional horror images which is proclaimed supposedly fun, but it may not really be the expected fun. The Frightdome is usually crowed up to the maximum every night that it is open.

    The Las Vegas MGM Hotel Casino did a similar thing a number of years ago, but the MGM stopped this october event completely because they replaced their whole amusement park with several new condo tower buildings.
  20. NA4BH

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    We usually have around 300 kids come by trick or treating. Some of the neighborhood houses have over 500 visitors. The whole neighborhood really goes out of the way to make it a fun night for the kids. I am looking forward to getting the skeletons out of the attic and putting them back to work. :)

    The purpose is to get free candy, while making us old folks feel young again (if only for one night).
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