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Movie: Marconi : “THE GENIUS OF WAVES”

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by IW2BSF, Oct 31, 2018.

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  1. IK0TIX

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    Dear Matthew,
    I read your comments for the second time, I would advise you to read a little more about history. Since you insist on Tesla (a man for whom I deeply esteem) I suggest you read something about Galileo Ferraris ... probably some of your beliefs would start to falter.
     
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  2. IW2BSF

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    Matthew then I do not know that Tesla was studying or planning a radio, but he was busy remotely controlling a boat, or how to wirelessly distribute "his" AC the alternating current ... or am I wrong?

    With so much hair to the genius of Tesla ... that has certainly not been inventor of the radio as we intend it amateur radio !

    PS strange that not yet 'appeared some Russian colleague with .... Popov, hi!
     
  3. K3WKK

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    How about a version in English...???
     
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  5. N3HGB

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    Read Thunderstruck for a great history of radio and Marconi. He very much was a genius in the same way Bill Gates is. He bought, hired, appropriated, and otherwise made off with enough people and patents to have a monopoly on radio for awhile. He tried to make a radio a service where the radio operator on your ship was not your employee, he worked for Marconi, and Marconi shore stations would refuse to talk to any non-Marconi ship operators. I got a big laugh about ham radio antics of QRMing and jamming going on when there were literally about 5 radios on the entire planet hi hi.
    Tesla most certainly did make radios, but he was so focused on sending power and RC boats that actually talking on the things slipped his mind:rolleyes:
     
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  6. AG7JN

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    All well and good about Marconi, and a nice tip of the hat to Tesla but has anyone heard of this guy?: Alexander Stepanovich Popov. Yeah, it appears that he also developed a working radio set at about the same time Marconi was doing his thing. According to the patent which still hangs on the wall in the Popov museum in Kronschdat Russia, Popov beat Marconi by a couple of months, but since it was just a Russian patent few have ever heard of him.

    Attached is a photo of yours truly sitting at Popov's desk in the museum. The patent (in Russian) is directly over the desk.

    In Russia I learned that much of the credit for 'first to- ' went to whoever got to the patent office first, NOT who first developed a working model.
     

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  7. IW2BSF

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  8. IW2BSF

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    MARCONI or TESLA ...... Father of the radio?



    In 1943, the US Supreme Court issued a decision on Marconi's radio patents by restoring some of Oliver Lodge's earlier patents, John Stone Stone and Nikola Tesla.

    The decision did not concern the original radio patents of Marconi and the court declared that their decision had no relation to Marconi's claim as the first to obtain radio transmission, only that since Marconi's request for some patents was questionable , could not claim the infringement on those same patents. There are claims that the high court was attempting to cancel a claim of World War I against the US government by the Marconi Company simply by restoring the previous non-Marconi patent.




    Tesla's patents were seen as PRIOR ART, based on Tesla's patents information. It is fair to say that Marconi's patents were seen as derivatives and not as novels based on this.

    However, Tesla did not invent the radio, and the demise of Marconi's patents does not mean that Tesla had the PATENTS ON THE RADIO.


    TESLA's patents had patents that required wireless transmission with a "conductive medium". In other words, he saw the air as a conductor in completing an alternating current circuit for his wireless system. Tesla described apparatuses that precede Marconi, but Marconi used the device for the transmission of RF. Not an alternating current through an air conductor, as granted by Tesla's patents.

    The radio invokes propagation in the vacuum. This is a different mechanism.



    Just look on TESLA on google, and you'll see that millions of people know his (alleged) radio inventions. It's been a long time since Tesla was dark and unknown ...



    Tesla was the inventor of the radio, but politics entered the scene and the "invention of the radio" was divided into several pieces with Stubblefield, Marconi and Tesla attributed as related inventors. One was radio, another was broadcast. There was a lot of people involved in this.

    What is clear is that Marconi knew how to market the radio. Tesla was a theorist and Stubblefield was able to send voice signals in a relatively small area but it was more a process of induction than radio propagation.


    For a good overview of what Tesla did, take a look at Nicola Tesla, Prodigal Genius by John O'Neil.
    And remember that Tesla has been touring in Europe and, have you guessed ?, Marconi has participated in at least one of them.

    However, Marconi successfully demonstrated and commercialized the radio while Tesla was more an experimenter.

    73
     
  9. IK0TIX

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    However, in addition to economic issues related to patents (for which those who had money could upgrade the patent) we must take into account a simple concept: modern science is based on experimentation.
    Who clearly demonstrates that a theory exists in reality has achieved the goal.
    Marconi has shown, in relation to the propagation of radio waves and long-distance transmission, that a theory was reflected in reality. Tesla did not do this. Tesla committed himself to something else.
    In my opinion and from a point of view, it's excellent comparison with Bill Gates; also putting together the money, research, advertising and profit is a sign of genius.

    The experimentation is a concept that is still valid today in the field of physic where theoretical physics and experimental physics coexist. One can not do without the other and both must be financed.

    All persons who have been nominated in this topic must receive respect from us.
    They must not be the object of political or national confrontation.
    Today we would not play with our beloved radio if only one of them was missing.
    It's as if today we were discussing whether Galileo was more important than Kepler or whether Hertz was more important than Volta etc. etc.
    Honor to men all over the world who make humanity worthy of existing, without distinction of race, nation, religion. This should be a must have for an amateur radio. Please, don't forget the ham spirit.
     
  10. W9GDH/SK2023

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    Testa got his patents back in 1943.
     
  11. G3SEA

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    All the Pioneers who contributed to the art of Radio Communication were each a genius in their own right.

    Marconi was the one who put it all together for a practical commercial means of communication.

    G3SEA/KH6
     
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    A priest from the Wilkes-Barre area made a very significant contribution to communications in the early days of radio.

    While working in the basement of his church rectory, the Rev. Joseph Murgaš, founding pastor of Sacred Heart Slovak Church, Wilkes-Barre, developed a better way of sending messages by wireless communications.

    Murgaš’ discovery paved the way for Morse code by improving on Gugliemo Marconi’s transmission process. Marconi’s process could only send a single sound and carry that sound only a short distance over water. Murgaš’ invention, however, compounded on Marconi’s thinking, and was able to transmit two or more sounds over distances of 70 miles over land and 700 miles over water. The variation of sounds developed by Murgaš made communication by Morse code possible.

    Murgaš’ invention was successfully tested on Nov 23, 1905, when Fred Kirkendall, then mayor of Wilkes-Barre, transmitted a message to Mayor Alexander R. Connell of Scranton.

    The company that was formed to further test and develop Murgaš’ discovery failed after the death of one of his business partners and the destruction of his equipment during a storm. Marconi later used Murgaš’ ideas and was credited with the invention. In 1916, however, the United States District court recognized Murgaš as the inventor of practical wireless communication.

    http://shsnepa.org/Folktales and Legends/Father Murgas/Rev Joseph Murgas.htm
     
  13. WA1RF

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    The statement "Marconi’s process could only send a single sound" is not correct. He used spark transmitters in the beginning. It was not modulated hence there was no sound transmitted!
     
  14. N8ZL

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    Every Ham should read about Tesla.
     
  15. 2E0ERL

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    just thinking the same
     

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