Mosley Mini-33-WARC vs. Cushcraft MA5B - Any opinions from the experienced?

Discussion in 'Antennas, Feedlines, Towers & Rotors' started by KD2CJJ, Mar 6, 2013.

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  1. KD2CJJ

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    Mosley Mini-33-WARC vs. Cushcraft MA5B - Any opinions from the experienced? Its hard for me to determine which would be a better overall and would like some first hand opinions on either one. (The XYL will in no way condone a Hex Beam.. I have tried but she seems to be ok with the "TV Antenna").

  2. W7UUU

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    I'm in the same boat and same position. I'm looking at the MINI-32 with the WARC dipole. The gain figures
    on the 2 element are essentially IDENTICAL to the 3 element. So the MINI32-AW is still only 3 elements but
    now 5 bands, and the gain on 10-15-20 is essentially the same as the MINI-33

    Tried the Hexbeam on the XYL and let's just say that went no where FAST LOL!!

  3. K7MH

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    You are supposed to tell them it is an outdoor umbrella style clothesline and you're going green!
    If you can raise and lower it it will have a dual purpose!!:p
  4. KD2CJJ

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    Good point.. the Mini 32 looks like a good alternative with less metal in the air..... I guess Im questioning the efficiency between the Mosley Mini's and the Cushcraft. From what I can see the Cushcraft is using capacitance hats, Traps plus a matching box (2 baluns and some capacitors, etc) to get the antenna into resonance. I have some concerns whether or not this is adding any loss; it sure adds more components to fail. The Mosley is using simple Traps......

    The Mosely has a significant amount more bandwidth and from what I can see significantly more gain. The Cushcraft is measuring theirs in dbi and Mosley in dBd. I see that they are the same numbers but that starch difference pushes me towards the Mosley. (in reality Cushcraft has about 1/2 of the gain; I dont know why though).

    Any opinions out there?

  5. WB2WIK

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    The Mosley is less complex and easier to assemble, although it's pretty light duty (I've had them "break" in Field Day operations), especially considering their full-sized beams are quite heavy-duty and seem to last forever. They pulled a lot of weight out of the "Mini" series by going to smaller, thinner materials.

    If your installation won't face ice loading and heavy winds, I'd probably pick the Mosley given the choice of only these two.

    Although "my" choice wouldn't be either one of them.:p For 5-band coverage, there are interlaced coupled element beams like F-12; interlaced trapped yagis like Hy-Gain, Mosley et al; LPDAs from Tennadyne and others; Hexbeams from a few sources; etc. I actually like all of those better than the Mini or the MA5B, having had "hands-on" with all of them. For me, when it comes to HF beams, "heavier duty" is better as I don't like picking up aluminum parts from the yard.:eek:
  6. KC4LNX

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    I used the MA5B and found it to be a very good ant. worked the world with it at 26 feet and 100 watts. goes together pretty well---just follow the instructions. i have a mosley cl-33m now--also good but longer boom.
  7. KA7NIQ

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    Because they are small and short, they both suck, compared to a full size antenna. But IMHO, the Cush Craft sucks less.
    If you have the room, and can sell her on a TV Antenna, consider the excellent Tennadyne Log Periodics ?
  8. WB2WIK

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    Good suggestion. The T6 Tennadyne surely outperforms either one and it really does look like a TV antenna, although quite a "big" one. The longest element is 39 feet. But if you get it up high enough above ground, it starts looking small. At 100 feet, it really does look like a TV antenna.
  9. KD2CJJ

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    Come on guys... seriously... If I could I would, but I cant. Living in the suburbs of NYC it just isnt happening... Im happy that she is OK with the small "TV Antenna". Since we are talking which sucks less why would the Cushcraft suck less in your opinion? I have heard that from others but no one can give me a good reason...
  10. WB2WIK

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    That is your own personal limitation. Dick K2RIW lives in Dix Hills and has (maybe still has, I don't know) 100' towers in his yard.

    I grew up in the suburbs of NYC and always had towers there...since I was 14 years old.

    Some restrictions are only self-imposed.:eek:

    I live in the largest and most populated county in the U.S. (Los Angeles) on a small city lot and have towers here. No restriction, and no ordinance says I can't.

    As far as the XYL is concerned, we have a deal: I do whatever I want with my half the house and property, and she does whatever she wants with her half. My half has the towers and antennas, her half has all the fruit trees and stuff she planted. Works out great.:eek:
  11. W7UUU

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    Absolutely! I live on just short of an acre. I COULD, legally in my town, have a 72 foot
    tower as long as no part of the beam over-reached a neighbor's property, and as long
    as the tower is at least 72 feet from any neighbor's yard ("fall zone"). In my ACTUAL case,
    I could do a 50' tower and meet the local code (even though my property is big, it's narrow).

    But I just don't think I could ever get the wife to buy into that! No, I'm not "whipped" - I'm
    "considerate of other peoples feelings" :D:D

    Not to hijack - but I'm in EXACTLY the same spot. I fully hope to have a Mosley MINI-32AW up
    at 40 feet before the end of summer.

  12. WB2WIK

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    My deal has always been one of the following:

    -Whoever pays the mortgage gets to make the rules; if we both pay, the rulings are proportionate to the payments.

    -If we both pay equally, I'll do what I want with my half the property and the XYL can do what she wants with her half.

    I've never had any objections to towers or antennas by the XYL, she couldn't care less. Just as I don't object that she planted 77 trees since we moved here -- that's her hobby and she's good at it...they all blossomed and flourished and we now have many varieties of fresh fruits. I didn't even know I liked Kumquats until her tree fruited. They're delicious.:eek:

    If she ever tried to tell me she didn't like antennas or towers, that would be a pretty big issue. Thankfully, she never did that.
  13. KA7NIQ

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    I think the CushCraft has a less lossy loading scheme going for it vs the Mosley.

    Going back, way back, to my 11 Meter CB Days, Mosley made azz kicking full size beams. Mosley also made a Mosley CB Mini Beam. They had both a 3 and a 5 element CB Reduce Size Mini Beam.

    While the big Mosley's were every bit the equal of any CB Beam Antenna made back then, element for element, their reduced size Mini Beams sucked. One unfortunate kid my own age back then (we were kids living at home) had the 5 element Mosley CB Mini Beam. Another kid had a Lafayette Radio 3 element beam, made for them by Hy Gain.

    It would embarrass the 5 Element Mosley Mini Beam. The Mosley you are considering looks very very much like the old Mosley CB Mini Beam.

    It is a "clean looking antenna" vs the CushCraft's contraption look. But the CushCraft Contraption sort of works, the Mosley does not.
    At least not really well.

    G3TXQ who posts here actually owned the CushCraft antenna you are considering. He thinks the Hex Beam is better, but he did say he actually kind of liked the CushCraft.

    G3TXQ is the Ham who did the redesign of the K4KIO and NA4RR Hex Beams!

    I really wish you would consider the short boom Tennadyne T6. Honest to God, once it is up in the air, it is about as non Hammy looking as it gets.

    No traps, no matching, just plug and play, nothing to worry about, ever!
  14. W7UUU

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    Well, the house is paid off. No mortgage. So can't use that one :)

    I'm learning as time goes on that she actually DOESN'T care! Oh, I'm learning the rules.... ;) I make a point
    every time we leave or arrive to just stop and marvel at all the wonderful wire antennas I put up... they really
    are nice looking, IMO! I made every effort to accomplish that - painting the masts black was HUGE in making
    them look nice.

    No, I'm not going to toss up a TA-33 in May when she's in Boston with our daughter (playing oboe at
    a major concert there for Tacoma Youth Symphony) although I suppose I COULD... but I'm not sure
    I even have the clearance to the adjacent tree. That log periodic posted earlier is SILLY HUGE for my
    house LOL! I'd have to take out 3 trees to swing a beam with 39 foot elements!

    But it's all good - we all do what we do, no two households or relationships are the same... and I'm slowly
    getting the XYL to understand this stuff. Hell, I'm about to do a major garage remodel (thread to follow soon)
    and she'll have a hobby area in the "shack" to do beading and knitting...

    Give me time... that 50 foot tower might be just a couple years out.... :)

  15. WB2WIK

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    Hey, congrats on that, that's wonderful. How old is she and how long has she been playing?

    My youngest daughter plays flute in her University's Wind Ensemble, and sometimes in their Orchestra, as well as playing with other ensembles at the local Performing Arts Centers around L.A. But...she actually doesn't like flute much.:p

    When she had her $1200 flute in the back seat of her car with the doors unlocked a few months ago, I yelled at her about being so careless and her response was, "Dad, if a thief broke into my car and saw the flute, he'd leave me another one and then I'd have two. Nobody wants a flute."
  16. W7UUU

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    Sandra LOVES her oboe. I'm sorry to hear your daughter does care for the flute so much.

    Sandy is a senior in high school, and started on clarinet in 7th grade. But they had no oboe players so she
    was convinced to switch. And she LOVES it! She worked her way up from 3rd chair in Young Artists entry
    orchestra for Tacoma Youth Symphony, and she now is 1st chair or 2nd chair (depending on the piece) for
    the full TYS, as well as Pacific Northwest Wind Ensemble and one other orchestra I can't recall.

    I literally LOL'd at that!!! I can't wait to share that joke with Sandy!! And you think flutes are spendy... her oboe was $7,000 and
    there is no upper limit! The top end is as high as $50K for a virtuoso level instrument. Pretty insane.

  17. K9ASE

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    Good for your daughter. Oboe is one of the toughest instruments to play because of the embouchure. Good Oboe players are truly a rare breed.
  18. WB2WIK

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    I agree.

    I played clarinet in grade school and HS and tried oboe a few times, couldn't get the hang of it. Switching to bass clarinet or saxophone was pretty easy, but not oboe.

    I was short, and to play bass clarinet I stood on a chair. No kidding.

    Then in college I found out nobody wanted a clarinetist in a part-time rock band, so I picked up keyboards.:p

    I guess oboes are worth $7K only because very few are made. I can buy a baby grand piano for that.
  19. KD2CJJ

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    What do you mean by less lossy loading scheme? From what I can see the cushcraft not only has traps but also has a matching box. The cushcraft would seem to have higher loss. I also see the Mosley is 3.6 dBd but the cushacraft is 3.6 dBi. Seems the Mosley has a significant more gain on 20 as a example.

    The t6 would be great if I had the space.

  20. WB2WIK

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    I wouldn't go by "published ratings," they're mostly silly.

    Put up the tower, put up a beam, it will work.:eek:

    The primary advantage of a beam is having it up high and rotatable...once that's accomplished, the differences aren't much except mechanically.
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