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Kenwood TL 922 help needed

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio Amplifiers' started by WD8BWW, May 22, 2017.

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  1. KA9JLM

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    So you burnt it up ? lol

    I just had to...

    Please do forgive me. It is Sunday.
     
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  2. KD2ACO

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    In my line of work, we call this, "MINT condition... that's Motors Intermittent, Noisy Transistors".
     
  3. KA9JLM

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    It is easy to blame it on the dead dude. :eek:

    Some like it when work is dead.
     
  4. KD2ACO

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    I always expect gear to be completely screwed no matter what anyone says about it unless I can try it out first. It's not a problem really, just setting the expectations to the correct posture.
     
  5. WD8BWW

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    Well the owner is taking it well. He did buy it at a good price. So starting out he if it had worked it would have been a real find. But $430 for tubes and soft start, and other recommended mods are adding up. When he is done he will be invested at about what a good 922 is going for these days. I just hope there are no more surprises around the next corner.
     
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  6. WA7PRC

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    Most of the stuff sold by H*rbach is OK to use. Some of the stuff isn't needed. It all costs more than it needs to. There's a lot of snake oil on the Internet. Tom W8JI trimmed the trash out of a TL922 here: http://www.w8ji.com/tl922_mods_parasitic.htm.
     
  7. W1QJ

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    If that amp was sitting around not being used for quite some time, it should have been brought up slowly on a Variac and carefully observed for maladies before it was hit with full line voltage. If a tube develops a short or becomes terribly gassy a single burst of energy released in a momentary tube arc at initial turn on could cause major damage. A real professional knows this and treats every unknown amplifier condition as such. No amplifier gets turned on at my shop without being brought up on a Variac slowly initially. A really bad tube that can potentially cause the kind of damage you have encountered could have been caught beforehand. Although a bad tube can hold out for another time, it's still a routine worth going through if a tube is bad to begin with. A blown up 1 ohm 5 watt shunt resistor is a tell tale sign of a major tube failure. I believe the old saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. At this point you have to determine if the plate meter is open, a simple one second test with an ohm meter. Then a good set of tubes needs to be obtained. Remember, generally, amps do not blow up tubes, tubes blow up amps
     
  8. WD8BWW

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    yes sir !! I could not agree more. On this amp I did a full day of slowly bringing up the voltage with a Variac. I learned this refurbishing old test equipment. As I increased the voltage as soon as I saw the tube filament not lighting I pulled it. I think that was at about 50% voltage. Holding there I swapped the "good tube" between sockets and determined the other tube was bad. I then pulled both tubes and continued with the Variac to reform the electrolytics. Better part of the day of increasing the AC before the amp without tubes saw full voltage. I then installed the old good tube at the 50% voltage and slowly brought it up to full voltage. I let is run at full voltage about an hour. Then keyed it with no RF and that was when I saw the meter peg. That was when I started this whole posting chain on why the meter might be pegging. I got good and accurate advice leading to the bad resistor discovery.
    Bottom line you are 100% correct on never just turning on high voltage equipment if it has been off for a while or you don't know how long it has not been powered. This has done in a lot of high voltage caps and tubes.
     
  9. WD8BWW

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    Well i pulled the amp apart, meter pulled out and measured the meter with 1k ohm resistor in series. There was no movement and I read right at 1020 ohms. Connecting the meter directly shows 15 ohm resistance between contacts and does move but just two needle widths.
     
  10. KA9JLM

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    It sounds like it may be good.

    What happens when you test it using the Diode test setting ? (polarity observed.)
     

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