Germany hits back against French 144 MHz Aeronautical plans

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4TUT, Aug 27, 2019.

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  1. KA2IRQ

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    We shouldn't gloat. (But, we will.)
     
  2. KA2IRQ

    KA2IRQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I haven't seen any update postings... why was it removed? Did 6 countries object? Did less than 10 want it? Did the French pull it? Was their whole proposal shot down or was it just modified to not include 144-146 MHz?
     
  3. KC9VYX

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  4. KC9VYX

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  5. KC9VYX

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    Prost i will have an Octoberfest beer Thanks
     
  6. KQ6XA

    KQ6XA Ham Member QRZ Page

    The first 2 metre spectrum grab trial balloon has been sent up to see how it flied.

    The next one will be stronger, you can bet on it.
     
  7. K9CTB

    K9CTB Ham Member QRZ Page

    Nice to see hams from all countries come to the defense of their bandwidth. It's a shame spectrum has become the new real estate. Seems none of us (hams) are safe as long as there's a buck to be made. :(
     
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  8. PA0MHS

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    But we hams do pay for spectrum use! We pay an annual fee for spectrum use. So there's mony to be made from hams, albeit not as much as from a commercial users. And as long as you pay for something, I feel you have the right to that something.
     
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  9. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Unfortunately, this is an exception.

    Most countries have abolished the annual spectrum use fee, which makes it very difficult to argue for any negotiation position from this.

    And, to be of any importance, the fees would have to be quite substantial.

    If the administration fees for spectrum use that some countries charge their military forces and public safety users should be scaled to amateur radio, it would turn up somewhere around € 300 per year and user.

    My own view is that it would be worth it, but most amateurs have no idea of the real worth of
    spectrum access. They just feel entitled to free use of spectrum.

    73/
    Karl-Arne
    SM0AOM
     
  10. KA2IRQ

    KA2IRQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I do not believe that a natural resource should be the source of income for any government. I know that may not be reality, but sorry, I gotta disagree with that.

    Now, if that government does something to actually maintain or improve that natural resource, and incurs expenses in doing so, I could see fees from the beneficiaries of that maintenance to cover the cost (not make a profit).

    A good example is the beach... local governments often charge fees for beach access- but at least they clean and maintain the beaches (people are slobs and leave garbage, etc.). A small fee to cover the cost of cleanup, pay the lifeguards, and maintenance is fine.

    No government does ANYTHING to maintain the electromagnetic spectrum. And no, frequency coordination and licensing does not count. The fees charged for spectrum are ridiculous across the board. I would have no problem paying a fee to the FCC for licensing and frequency coordination- they're acting as the gate keeper in the US to prevent true RF chaos. But I have a big problem with spectrum auctions or the concept the frequency spectrum has an intrinsic monetary value. Yes, I know one is basically assigned by the fact the cell companies pay billions of dollars for spectrum- but that's after my argument. It's just a money grab for government saying "we're the gate keeper and we want a piece of what you're gonna make with this."

    Sorry, again, but I respectfully disagree.
     
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