I had more or less thrown in the towel after being frustrated trying to put radials down for some sort of vertical here on the Rock Ranch. There is not enough top soil to stick lawn staples down to hold the radials. I am also height limited due to HOA regs, to something less than about 39'. I keep thinking about the SteppIR BigIR in my garage, which is 32' high. Ground mounting it presents the radial problem. Mounting it as a ground plane could run into the max height issue. I've been reading "Low Band DXing" particularly the sections about elevated radials. This suggests I could put the vertical close to the ground and run the radials upwards, maybe 5-10' at the ends. Could this possibly work? I could fence off the area to keep wanderers out, and this would be in a well-fenced large back yard anyway. Speaking of fences, this fence is very stout, about 5' high, a wire mesh that goes >100' back to the property line then along the rear llne probably another 300'. Would there be any point in tieing the radials, or counterpoise, to this fence somehow? Anyone ever tried this? A power line to the neighbors is right above the rear fence section.