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Drake or Kenwood?

Discussion in 'Discussions, Opinions & Editorials' started by KA4ETR, Feb 10, 2013.

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  1. KA4ETR

    KA4ETR Ham Member

    I've been thinking about adding a nice receiver to the shack. Something under a $1000, but still has decent receive capabilities. I'm kind of torn between the Kenwood R-5000 and the Drake R-8. Opinions please? If you'd like to give an opinion on Yaesu & Icom, that's fine. Thanks!
     
  2. KG5UN

    KG5UN Ham Member

    Drake. By a long shot.

     
  3. WB2WIK

    WB2WIK Premium Subscriber

    I'd go with the Drake, too; but depends what you want to do with it, really.

    For me, I love the sound of old analog boat anchor receivers for AM SW BC reception. Fantastic stability isn't required, and if it drifts a bit it really doesn't matter; the "listenability" is very hard to beat. But most of those are terrible for SSB/CW/digital reception; their forte is AM.

    Then, for modes other than AM, most of the modern stuff is much better. The old Drake R-7A is one of the best all-around HF receivers ever, but even if you include a 6 kHz AM filter it still doesn't sound very good on AM. I never had an R-8.
     
  4. KA4DPO

    KA4DPO Ham Member

    You can get a lot of other very competent receivers for under a thousand dollars.
     
  5. N0WYO

    N0WYO Ham Member

    Ditto... You can't go wrong, and you'll never be sorry.
     
  6. KG5UN

    KG5UN Ham Member

    Of all the receivers I have owned, my favorite was a Drake R-4B with the FS-4 frequency synthesizer. Wow.
     
  7. N8YX

    N8YX Ham Member

    What will be your primary use/mode for the receiver? AM/SSB/CW, data modes? SWBCB DXing? Ham band monitoring, ute monitoring or a combination thereof?

    Is computer control a requirement?
     
  8. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    Neither! Buy a Flexradio. You can get a used Flex 1500 for around $500 and put the other $500 into your antenna or other station goodies.

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  9. KB4MNG

    KB4MNG Ham Member

    Very smart! I had not even thought about the flex. No brainer....
     
  10. W6UV

    W6UV Premium Subscriber

  11. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    Another great rig! Once you go SDR, you'll never go back to "old skool"!
     
  12. KC9UDX

    KC9UDX Subscriber

    Drake. Silly 10 character minimum...
     
  13. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    The R-8 and R-5000 both seem to have about the same numbers according to Sherwood Engineering tests:

    [TABLE="width: 100"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Device
    Under Test

    [/TD]
    [TD]Noise
    Floor
    (dBm)

    [/TD]
    [TD]AGC
    Thrshld
    (uV)

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    dB
    [/TD]
    [TD]100kHz
    Blocking
    (dB)

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    Sensitivity
    (uV)

    [/TD]
    [TD]LO Noise
    (dBc/Hz)

    [/TD]
    [TD]Spacing
    kHz

    [/TD]
    [TD]Front End
    Selectivity

    [/TD]
    [TD]Filter
    Ultimate
    (dB)

    [/TD]
    [TD]Dynamic Range
    Wide Spaced
    (dB)

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    kHz
    [/TD]
    [TD]Dynamic Range
    Narrow Spaced
    (dB)

    [/TD]
    [TD]
    kHz
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [TABLE="width: 100"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Kenwood
    R-5000
    [/TD]
    [TD]-131[SUP]a[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]0.4
    [/TD]
    [TD]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]134
    [/TD]
    [TD]0.2
    [/TD]
    [TD]120
    [/TD]
    [TD]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]C 0.5 Octave
    [/TD]
    [TD]80[SUP]f[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]86
    [/TD]
    [TD]20
    [/TD]
    [TD]65
    [/TD]
    [TD]5
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [TABLE="width: 100, align: left"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Drake
    R-8
    [/TD]
    [TD]-128
    -131[SUP]ab[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]0.6
    0.3
    [/TD]
    [TD]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]130
    [/TD]
    [TD]0.25
    0.18[SUP]b[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]115
    [/TD]
    [TD]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]C 0.5 Octave
    [/TD]
    [TD]75[SUP]f[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]90
    85[SUP]b[/SUP]
    [/TD]
    [TD]20
    [/TD]
    [TD]71
    [/TD]
    [TD]5
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]




    Both being very far down the list.

    The Flex 1500 and Perseus however are noticeably higher on the list:

    [TABLE="width: 100%"]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]FlexRadio Systems
    FLEX-1500
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-112to-116
    -120to-129[SUP]b[/SUP]
    -121to-136[SUP]b1[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3.1
    1.0[SUP]b[/SUP]
    0.4[SUP]b1[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]108[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]2.8
    1.4[SUP]b[/SUP]
    0.3[SUP]b1[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]131[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]10[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]B Band Pass[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]95[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]88[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]20[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]88[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [TABLE="width: 100%"]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Perseus
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-123
    -125[SUP]b[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]0.15
    0.1[SUP]b[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]125[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]0.8
    0.6[SUP]b[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]147[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]10[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]B Band Pass[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]109[SUP]f[/SUP][/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]99[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]20[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]99[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  14. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    Well, that didn't paste nearly as well as I planned. See the link above for something better laid out!
     
  15. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member

    Why not buy the best receiver out there the Elecraft KX3 $999 factory built look at the Sherwood Reports it's on the top. The best part NO COMPUTER needed but one can be used and upgrades are coming on a steady basis the only option you would need is the Pass Band Tuning for every band I use mine daily.
     
  16. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    Another great SDR. Assemble it yourself and save a hundred bucks.

    If you listen to anything other than voice, CW, RTTY or PSK, or want CAT control, it still requires a computer.
     
  17. N0AZZ

    N0AZZ Ham Member

    Your correct for those modes my bad, but it is an SDR but is a standalone not like a Flex is what I ment to say. Before I bought the KX3 I used my K3 for SWL and thought it was great compared to my Yaesu FR-101 loaded I had been using since I sold my Sony CRF-320. But the KX3 is a whole lot better for several reasons more compact, has a better receiver(but I really can't tell) than my loaded K3 but $5000+ for it. The KX3 is the best QRP radio as well has a built-in tuner and can run for hours a lot of them on receive with the internal batteries or any 12v source and any antenna you wish the tuner does very well at least a 10:1 or better internal one.

    I used to cuss the Dammed "Elecraft Cheerleaders" when I had all Icom, Yaesu and all my other things. Now after owing a bunch of the Elecraft gear I know what they always yapping about and most all was true. I still have some that object to some of my posts about other equipment like the 5000 features that I liked better, but when the owner of the company comes on and agrees with me that tells you a lot about the company itself.
     
  18. AF6LJ

    AF6LJ Ham Member

    Just make sure you have a computer with enough horsepower to run it.
     
  19. K2NCC

    K2NCC XML Subscriber

    Very true. Especially if you're a multi-tasker and it's all on one machine. But with the $500 you save off your $1000 limit (Flex 1500 used for around half that), you can upgrade other things if needed. Any computer made in the last three or four years should be fine.

    I've used and owned a new-to-me radio just about every year I've been in the hobby, and knowing what I know now, I'll never own anything but a software-defined HF rig.


    :eek: My birthday's coming up soon, in case anyone wants to know what's on my wish-list:

    Flex6000_pr4927_1.jpg

    (Hasn't been rated by Sherwood yet that I know of, but I'd bet it'll trump the rest of the list.)
     
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