CW nets on 80 meters.

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  1. K3UD

    K3UD Guest

    This is from the comprehensive newsletter that Jim Weaver, K8JE,
    and Great Lakes Division Director puts out to the division membership
    at least once a month and sometimes more.
    Jim also regularly polls the membership on ARRL issues as
    well as issues affecting Amateur Radio in General.


    "With the totally unexpected extension of the fone band on 80M clear
    down to 3600 kHz, it is necessary for many CW nets to move from
    longstanding net frequencies above 3600 to frequencies within the new
    subband. To say the least, doing this is distasteful. To say it more
    plainly, doing this is often painful and highly disruptive. New,
    unwanted potential for creating inter-net QRM can be expected to

    I am very pleased that in nearly every instance, though, the Net
    Managers have taken the attitude that this is something that needs to
    be done. They set about selecting new frequencies with the
    professionalism expected of Amateur Radio operators and leaders. I
    applaud these forward-thinking leaders and net members for the courage
    and determination to continue to succeed that they have demonstrated.

    I want to reiterate that ARRL and I stand squarely with the NTS and
    nets in it -- whether these use CW, SSB, RTTY, high-speed digital or
    native drum. It is difficult to conceive of a form of net in NTS that
    does not potentially enhance the standing of Amateur Radio within the
    community and does not increase and maintain Amateur Radio's ability to
    communicate during emergency and disaster situations. As non-technical
    as CW is relative to high speed multimedia or even RTTY and SSB, CW
    continues to provide yeoman service in disasters when professional,
    highly-technical systems fail. CW's low-tech (in this high-tech era)
    is actually a great plus in many instances.

    Keeping this in mind, I continue to urge all net operators to recognize
    that the great glory days of NTS are past. Just as the typical
    automobile no long has a standard, shifter transmission, and just as
    the crank telephone connected by hard lines has given way to push
    button phones -- and for many people to cell phones, and just as
    hand-turning the propeller to start airplane engines has given way to
    electric starters and increasingly to jet engines, NTS must continue to
    evolve in a manner that makes it most useful. The role NTS can find
    most useful in filling today is as an arm of ARES operation.

    This does not mean that NTS is dying or should die. It does not mean
    that ARRL is attempting to cast NTS into the deepest part of the
    dungeon, never to be heard of again. It only means that to maintain
    and even regain much of the luster it had in days past, NTS must adapt.
    Among others, I urge local, regional and national NTS leaders to look
    deeply into the situation the service faces today and to guide it to be
    able to perform still greater service in the future than it has ever
    performed in "bygone year." I, as well as others, are
    encouraging our F&ES leaders to help us in the field see where
    adaptation will be most valuable and how it can best be accomplished.


    Net Managers may want to check the following site and make certain
    their nets are listed on it.

    Jack, W0UCE, has developed a Matrix Table to help coordinate relocation
    of NTS 80 meter CW nets. This is not a frequency-assigning operation,
    but simply involves posting what Net Managers send to him. This is
    intended to assist Net Managers select frequencies based upon
    frequencies that are being used by other nets.

    Go to:
    to view the current matrix and to send information for
    Jack to add to it."

  2. AC0H

    AC0H Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    They're untying the shoe and getting ready to drop it.
    Does the ARRL "own" the NTS or ARES organizations?
  3. AB8RO

    AB8RO Ham Member QRZ Page

    From their web site

  4. KF4VKD

    KF4VKD Ham Member QRZ Page

    Am I missing something CW is not excluded from this portion of the band it just has to share it with Voice
  5. AC0H

    AC0H Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    So when the ARRL tries to force NTS participants to join an ARES group, or pony up the $1,000 for an SCS modem so they're "Winlink" capable, and they tell the ARRL to stuff it, what will the ARRL do? Pull their "sponsorship"?

    I guarantee neither group will fold if the ARRL decides to pick up it amateur internet toys and decides to go home.
  6. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    The area above 3600khz becomes exclusively "Extra" class territory.

    While Extras can operate CW in this area, no one else can.

    Unless you want an Extra-only CW net in this area, you must move below 3600khz.

    tim ab0wr
  7. AB8RO

    AB8RO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Uh, whatever. I'm just reporting information. I have no idea what "sponsorhip" means in this case.
  8. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    While not publicized at all, the ARRL seriously considered dropping their sponsorship of the NTS about 3 years ago (if my memory serves me correctly).

    I might be able to find some documents on my hard disk if I look hard enough -- or I may have lost them with my last hard disk crash. If I get time I'll look around.

    It would not surprise me in the slightest to see it finally happen and the ARRL become an ARES/WL2K sponsor focusing only on NGO and governmental disaster communications. During Katrina the ARRL was not focused on handling traffic for the common man, only for the Red Cross and other agencies. When, during Katrina, the Red Cross said no hams would be allowed to accept H&W traffic from shelter occupants, the ARRL bought right into it.

    The ARRL has lost sight of one of amateur radio's primary purposes, - providing H&W traffic for the common man out of and into disaster areas. It is more interested in using amateur radio as a backup Common Carrier for wire-based common carrier facilities. That's where the "glamour" is (and the DHS money!).

    Every time I mention it I get laughed at by the ARRL syncophants, but the ARRL could REALLY get some publicity by working with organizations like the Boy/Girl Scouts and the Salvation Army in going around to senior citizens care facilities and getting Christmas greeting messages to send to family members. It would help develop a committment to service in our youth (although this isn't really needed by the Scouts) and provide actual traffic for the NTS system that means something.

    It won't happen. Not enough "glamour". Sad.

    tim ab0wr
  9. AB8RO

    AB8RO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Just curious, are there really that many seniors without telephones or access to christmas cards?
  10. W5ALT

    W5ALT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Amateur radio has never been about by-passing or replacing commercial services. You might be surprised how many seniors would appreciate another form of greeting, even when alternatives are easy.

    Walt, W5ALT
  11. AB0WR

    AB0WR Ham Member QRZ Page

    When was the last time you spent any time visiting an "old folks home" and actually talked to the people living there, especially the bedridden ones? There are lots of them that have no way to get out and buy Christmas cards, and couldn't write and address them even if they COULD! Ask them how many phone numbers they even know for their relatives.

    I'll be the first to admit that you can do the same thing with a box of cards and book of stamps but that costs more and isn't nearly as much fun. The only thing is to be upfront and tell them that you can only attempt to get the radiograms delivered and there aren't nearly as many hams doing this as there once were. They will understand.

    It isn't just the old folks. Go do it at a homeless shelter. There are usually some folks (not a lot but some) who are interested in sending a message to a loved one but don't have a cell phone or even a telephone number to call. They *may* know an address but they may not. Once they find out that you don't require an ID or a home address or anything (so no one can trace where they are), you'll sometimes get a few more.

    Want to make it even more interesting? Get a buddy to stand by on 2meters, take along a couple of interested Scouts, and let them pass the traffic on 2meters as they get it. You never know when you might trigger someones interest in ham radio once they get to *do* something with it. It will count as service hours for them also, something most Scouts are looking for all the time.

    You can pooh-pooh this all you want. It will just prove my point that the ARS has moved far, far away from being the community service group that it used to be when I became a ham. N5PVL can tell you exactly when it happened and why. But that's a post for another time.

    I'll give you one more example. I bought a box of used logs and old radiograms off ebay a couple of years ago out of historical curiousity and because some of the logs were old, original Collins Radio logs. In there were old radiograms from the amateur that he had collected at a hospital to let loved ones know about the condition of patients. Probably the most poignant was a series of radiograms telling relatives about the progressively worse condition of a terminally ill lady.

    I bring this up for only one reason. There is no doubt that with the advancement in communication technology we have today, there is not the same *need* for this to happen today as there used to be. Cell phones and text messaging can do wonders. However, the real point is that this ham had taken the time to get off his duff and go to the hospital on a regular basis, he got to know the people at the hospital, and he let them know that he could help with radiograms should the need arise.

    He wasn't afraid or embarrassed to offer his skills up for the service of others. He wasn't interested in being a common carrier for the hospital, he was interested in what he could do for the people in the hospital.

    It is that kind of committment that will keep ham radio from dying out -- giving up our spectrum to be common carriers for the local EOC or for the Red Cross just won't cut it in the long run. It is this kind of committment that the NTS was first formed to fulfill and which I hope it will continue to fill for a long time into the future.

    tim ab0wr
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