Cushcraft R-9 and the Hy-GAIN AV-680

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  1. KA7RRA

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    Can someone explane to me why the New Cushcraft R9 sells for 639.00,and the HY-GAIN AV-680 sells for 539? they look like the same antenna

    What is the difference between the two?? they are both new and both are 9 bands
  2. W3WN

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    Looking at the two pictures for each, despite the slightly different camera angles, they do look remarkably similar to each other. (And more than a passing similarity to some of the GAP verticals as well)

    It could be merely a marketing thing. (Anyone remember when GM, for one, sold the same basic car under multiple name plates?)

    However... keep in mind that looks can be deceiving. For example, if you walk into the appliance department of a Big Box retailer, you'll notice, for example, a Hotpoint stove that looks exactly like a GE one that's more expensive. Both are made by GE... with Hotpoint being the "economy" brand. Examine the insides, and you'll notice significant differences in some of the materials used, or the number of oven heating elements, or other subtle little things.

    Or, compare a given Dewalt drill to a similar Black & Decker drill. Same parent company (B&D), same basic design, same basic look (outside of color), but there are, again, differences in manufacturing (types & quality of materials used). But the B&D line is marketing for the home consumer, whereas Dewalt is marketed to the professional contractor. That's why the Dewalt costs more, it's designed for to handle professional situations the typical home owner will never need to worry about.

    So the difference might be in the materials and construction. Or it might just be a branding thing, with Cushcraft being considered to have a better image in the market place, thus able to command a premium.
  3. N4UP

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    From what I read in the QST ads and product pages, the Cushcraft R9 is somewhat heavier, taller, and with larger wind loading. That suggests to me that it is simply a stronger variant of the Hy-Gain AV-680. It also "looks" like the R9 counterpoise is somewhat more rigid than the droopy AV-680 counterpoise, but that could just be the way the photos were taken. If the R9 is indeed a better-built variant, then some might be willing to pay $100 more for it.
  4. WB2WIK

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    They both look like a PITA to assemble.:p
  5. G0GQK

    G0GQK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Perhaps you could download information about them with some photos and compare the two

    Mel G0GQK
  6. W3WN

    W3WN Ham Member QRZ Page

    Why, yes. Great idea! In fact, maybe someone ought to post a link to the manufacturer's web site to do just that.

    Oh wait. I already did that in Post #2. Never mind.
  7. KF6ABU

    KF6ABU Ham Member QRZ Page

    Someone should post that someone should download the photos and compare them.
  8. W4AMP

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    An Antron 99 covers 20-6 meters with a tuner and costs about 70 bucks.
  9. WB2WIK

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    It does, but it doesn't cover 30-40-60-80m at all, and even on 20-6m it has some serious common mode problems.

    Of course (sigh) a lot of people wouldn't notice that and just think it works fine. Until they try a real antenna and discover it wasn't very good after all.

    I worked Michigan using a 60W GE Soft Light bulb for an antenna, verifying that "everything works.":eek:
  10. K0BG

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    When it comes to antennas, ignorance is bliss! The reason these antennas exist is simply the fact that those who are buying them don't have a clue!

    Once upon a time, Yardley Bears, W0JF (sk) drove a 40 watts bulb, atop a 40 foot pole, fed with 100 feet of RG58. The transmitter was a tuna can special running 2 watts input! It took him less than a year to work DXCC on 40 meters. He wrote an article about the feat.

    Proving, as Steve alluded to, anything will work.
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