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Could a new licence counter threats at VHF and above?

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G4TUT, Jun 17, 2019.

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  1. G4TUT

    G4TUT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Could a new licence counter threats at VHF and above?

    Concerns have been raised recently by IARU Region 1 about potential threats to the amateur radio 144 MHz and higher bands

    Activity levels in 144 MHz and the higher bands have plummeted in the past 20 years. Increasingly we are seeing commercial interests seeking to gain access to what some might regard as "little used" amateur spectrum.

    Several countries have already adopted an Entry Level Licence requiring some 7 hours training (roughly half that required for 2019 UK Foundation), the results have been encouraging. The entire course and a straight-forward 20 question 30 minute test could be completed in a single day instead of the two full days plus one evening typically required for UK Foundation courses.

    Entry Level Licences are set to meet the requirements laid down in ITU Recommendation M.1544 which defines the minimum levels of operational and technical knowledge for a person wishing to operate a station in the amateur services.

    Such a licence could permit operation at low power, say 10 watts, on all amateur bands above 50 MHz. Such licences would transform activity levels on these bands.

    2018 Could a new Entry Level Licence boost VHF/UHF activity?

    You can download ITU Rec M.1544 from

    IARU-R1 say WRC-23 Agenda Items may impact 144 MHz and 1240 MHz bands

    France proposes 144-146 MHz for Aeronautical Mobile Service

    Trevor M5AKA

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  2. WY7BG

    WY7BG Ham Member QRZ Page

    I do not understand why VHF might be "little used" in Europe. In the US - a much larger nation where VHF won't easily span a state much less the entire country - one would think it would be LESS popular, but 2m is in fact the most popular band here. The low cost of entry (due to cheap Chinese radio gear) and ease of mobile and handheld use contribute to its popularity. Why are things different across the pond? Is there a lack of repeaters? Are the rules overly restrictive?
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  3. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    The causes can be summarised in "lack of interest".

    Gear has never been cheaper, and exams never been easier, but there is very little interest.

    It is estimated that of the total of 65 that got their new callsigns in this country during 2018 only 7 have become active.

    With this low yield, it is only a waste of time and resources to introduce new licence classes.

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  4. W8AAZ

    W8AAZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yea, we need to utilize the people we have. Beginners here often get their license after being prodded along, they get the chance to get on the air with an inexpensive handheld radio that has rather limited range with simplex or more extended with traditional repeaters. Dead FM repeaters equals boredom and dropping out. If HF would extend their abilities, they are assigned HF access on bands that are just flatline during the sunspot minimums and at much greater cost and a large antenna footprint. We are hoping some of the digital voice modes may enhance their interests as old school 2M FM is facing the fact that a tiny cellphone normally has vastly greater abilities. When I got into it decades ago, it was practically cutting edge as far as personal hobby communications was concerned. I still don't perceive a great threat to the lower VHF ham bands in the USA. Due to the physics of the thing, commercial interests want to gobble up shorter wavelengths from us. I don't see 144 Mhz cellphones in the future any more than cellphones in the spectrum of the AM broadcast band. Trunked UHF comms have left even the VHF commercial bands underused, it seems. What can you still hear between 30-50, 150-170? Some old school pagers, utilities, military, and trains. And noise from cheap imports.
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  5. EA4GWX

    EA4GWX Ham Member QRZ Page

    [QUOTE = "G4TUT, post: 5101351, miembro: 14588"] ¿Podría tener una nueva licencia para contrarrestar las respuestas en VHF y superiores?

    La Región 1 de IARU ha planteado inquietudes acerca de las posibles comunicaciones a la radio de 144 MHz y bandas más altas

    Los niveles de actividad en 144 MHz y las bandas más altas se han desplomado en los últimos 20 años. Cada vez más estamos viendo los intereses comerciales que buscamos obtener acceso a los que se ven como un espectro de aficionados "poco usado".

    Varios resultados han sido aprobados por la Fundación del Reino Unido para el año 2019, los resultados han sido alentadores. El curso completo y una prueba directa de 20 preguntas y 30 minutos se completan en un solo día en el lugar de los días completos en una noche que generalmente se requiere para los cursos de la Fundación del Reino Unido.

    M.1544 de la UIT, que define los niveles de conocimiento operativo y técnico para una persona que desea operar una estación en los servicios de aficionados.

    Dicha licencia podría permitir la operación a baja potencia, por ejemplo, 10 vatios, en todas las bandas de aficionados por encima de 50 MHz. Cuentos de licencias que transforman los niveles de actividad en estas bandas.

    2018 ¿Podría tener una nueva licencia de nivel de entrada impulsar la actividad VHF / UHF?

    Puede descargar la Rec. M.1544 de la UIT desde

    IARU-R1 dice que los puntos del orden del día de la CMR-23 pueden afectar a las bandas de 144 MHz y 1240 MHz

    Francia propone 144-146 MHz para el servicio móvil aeronáutico

    Trevor M5AKA

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    La migración hacia las bandas y modos de DMR están causando verdaderos estragos en 2 mts. sin estar en contra de las nuevas tecnologías, hay que reconocer que la gente no cuida lo que tiene, lo abandona, y cuando lo pierde, se lamenta, la culpa es nuestra.
  6. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    As many of you know, I have been warning about re-allocations for years.

    I would be surprised by a 2m re-allocation or reduction in the US. Our natural disasters tend to lend themselves (unfortunately) to wide use of 2M.

    I fear that the new digital modes will be invoked as justification for re-allocation--we are not using the spectrum. This is especially acute on 6m where 90% of activity has all dumped on 50.313. This happened in a matter of months, in 2017, and now the CW band is dead--no takers.

    The best we can do is be radio-active, now.
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  7. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    I have to confess that I am pretty tired of hearing "commercial interests" being invoked as some vaporous 'enemy'. Dead wrong. The "commercial interests" are carriers for subscribers. Hundreds of thousands; millions. The "commercial interests" are a mere conduit for that activity.

    If you don't USE your spectrum allocation, then what is the justification given the SUBSCRIBER needs?

    Look: friends in industry continue to try to steer the ship away from the ham bands. But its up to us to show use.

    Chip W1YW
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  8. KF5LJW

    KF5LJW Ham Member QRZ Page


    VHF, UHF, and Microwave are line of sight which is perfect medium for carriers serving literally billions of people and creating millions of high paying jobs. Those frequencies are worth billions even trillions of dollars, save countless lives/property, and generate huge commerce revenues. Think of it like the Interstate Highway system. Use it or loose it.
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  9. WY7BG

    WY7BG Ham Member QRZ Page

    Land is the perfect medium for billions of dollars' worth of development. So, why have parks?
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  10. W5LZ

    W5LZ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I will save up all my worry about loosing a band till when there is a concrete/legitimate reason to spend that worry. I haven't seen any of that concrete/legitimate thingy yet. Someone remind me when it happens. There have been 'hint's about it happening for the last 50 some-odd years. It hasn't happened yet. And yes, I'm aware of the 220 mess.
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