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CHEAP Chinese Radios! ($19 each??)

Discussion in 'Discussions, Opinions & Editorials' started by WA6MHZ, Jul 14, 2008.

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  1. WA6MHZ

    WA6MHZ Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    There are a whole bunch of New Chinese 2M and 450 rigs on Ebay, out of Hong Kong, that, of course, are not FCC Type accepted, but evidently are being bought by US hams as they advertise extensively to the US Market. They get around Customs by marking the item on the box "GIFT" and "No commercial value". The 2 meter one is 2 for only $38! That is just remarkable, 2 brand new HTs for $38? I also don't know if they have standard and special repeater split capability. But 2 for $38 ($19 each???!!!! Shipping stateside is about $25. 5W! Of course, the FCC would be hopping mad about these. One LA area Ham decided to import these and sell them on Ebay. The FCC HAMMERED HIM HARD for that! But I know Hams in our radio club that have bought these and they work. Of course, you get Chinese Quality (or lack of it) and I have heard you have to disassemble the radio and drill a hole in the case so you have sound access to the mike (Chinese forgot about a hole for the mike!). Probably not any batteries or accessory speaker mikes available for these, but again, WHO CARES for $19? These are Disposable HTs! You can't even buy FRS radios that cheap!
     
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  2. WA9SVD

    WA9SVD Ham Member QRZ Page



    AWWW< I gut a pair of "Battywing (/\/\)" FRS radios from Fry's for $4.99 with a $5.00 rebate a couple of years ago...:p

    The quality is probably mediocre; and whatever "features" are included may be questionable. They most likely don't have certification for the receiver portion (for compliance with §Part 15) and may have expanded transmit beyond the Amateur frequencies, which may be what the FCC objected to. Marketing and importation for marketing of non-certified equipment IS a big "no-no" with the FCC.

    Personally, I'd rather have a radio (even at higher cost) where the radio requires a replacement set of batteries, rather than a set of batteries needing a replacement radio. I've seem a couple of the various "Chinese" H-T's, and doubt they last much longer than a set of batteries, anyway.
     
  3. AG3Y

    AG3Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    MHZ , Don't you suppose that due to your eagerness to hand out this information, that a whole bunch of unlicensed people just might show up on the 2 meter band with these illegally sold radios ?

    Think about it.
     
  4. WA4ILH

    WA4ILH Ham Member QRZ Page

    I haven't seen these radios but, if the FCC "hammered" them, it is not because they are of cheap quality but because they are most probably, easily modified to work on commercial (sic) frequencies. Tom WA4ILH
     
  5. WA9SVD

    WA9SVD Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's obviously another possibility, or even probability. (In the past, some such radios were ePay advertised BECUASE of their ease of mod for non-Amateur frequencies.) But simple lack of certification to §Part 15 is more than enough for the FCC to "snap" into action!
     
  6. KB3PXR

    KB3PXR Ham Member QRZ Page

    The problem is that these radios are actually ready for commercial frequencies and are actually designed for this purpose. These radios even have scramblers in them so if you were to find freebanders, good luck trying to find what they are saying.
     
  7. AI4EP

    AI4EP Ham Member QRZ Page

    I still do not see how the federal government ( FCC in this case ) has the right to fuss at QRZ for doing what it supposedly did wrong. It aint the FCC s place to do that

    IMHO it is like ---me fussing at your children for something they did wrong last year.

    first of all --- who cares

    second of all --- get over it and grow up FCC. Go to doing your JOB ( enforcing and regulating the radio / tv / etc industry and get off QRZ s back.

    Do your job, mister anonymous fcc spokesperson. You are going to have a rough time catching AI4EP for breaking any transmitting rules on his amateur radios, since he apparently spends so much time off the radio and on the internet...just by the evidence of 14,000 posts on ONE site in less than 10 years.

    just the facts and it was simple and to the point.
     
  8. WA6MHZ

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    Sure they are low quality, out of band modified and less than desirable, but for $19 I am really tempted, just to have a HT ready to go as a backup. I know several hams with children who just got their licenses, and they bought them these rigs. So they are kind of toys, disposable HTs, and serve the purpose of quick and dirty communications. These are the equivalent today of when we could buy ARC-5s new in the box for $5 back in the 50s!
     
  9. AG3Y

    AG3Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    I would still rather have my HTX 202 ! At least, I know it is going to transmit when I push the button !
     
  10. N2RJ

    N2RJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    From what I understand the radios are actually quite good.

    And don't be fooled by the $19 price. You pay a hefty "shipping" charge. They ship from Asia so eBay doesn't really pull the auctions for excessive shipping since it may actually cost that much to ship them!
     
  11. AB8RO

    AB8RO Ham Member QRZ Page

    I haven't seen any with a $25 shipping price. They are still cheap, just not that cheap.
     
  12. WA6MHZ

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    I was all ready to click on BUY when I noticed they charged $73 shipping to California!!! Guess the other one was $24. $24 I can live with but not $73! Oh well!
     
  13. KY5U

    KY5U Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's the point. They're $19.95 with $75 shipping. What did PT Barnum say?
     
  14. N2RJ

    N2RJ Ham Member QRZ Page

    That's what I said.
     
  15. WA6MHZ

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    They seem to vary the shipping considerably compared to the price. If they get $50 for the radio, then the shipping is only $25 -$35. When they sell it for cheap like $38 for 2, they jack up the shipping to $73! They also have a bunch of Yaesu radios too, which ARE of known quality. A FT-8900M for about what you would pay for it at HRO. The best deal I have seen is about $56 including shipping for a single 2M HT. Thats still pretty CHEAP!
     
  16. AB8RO

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    Yes, I was agreeing with you. I guess it didn't sound like I was, but I was. At any rate, with respect to scrambling, I doubt that they're doing anything difficult to decode. The standard methods are pretty easy to decode.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_inversion

    Now, if they're digitizing and encrypting the voice, that's a different story, but I doubt that they're doing that.
     
  17. KI4ITV

    KI4ITV Ham Member QRZ Page

    What a great example and entrance to the hobby. Have your kids study the rules and regulations we have to follow. They pass the test, and the first thing you do is go out and buy an illegal radio and put it in their hands. Great job Dad. :mad:

    As a self-policing hobby, it should be woodshed time for dad. No wonder.
    Just my opinion.
    :confused:
     
  18. AG3Y

    AG3Y Ham Member QRZ Page

    It wouldn't matter how easy it was to decode, if it is scrambled, it is ILLEGAL!

    §97.113 Prohibited transmissions.

    (a) No amateur station shall transmit:


    (4) . . . . messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification;
     
  19. WA9SVD

    WA9SVD Ham Member QRZ Page

    And you KNOW for a fact that the radios are illegal?

    I would really HATE to rely on a radio that is of questionable quality for a BACKUP if my regular equipment failed. I would hope to have backup from equipment that is MORE reliable in time of need, when it really IS in time of need.
     
  20. AB8RO

    AB8RO Ham Member QRZ Page

    Yeah Jim, I know that. The concern was that if someone is using one illegally that you wouldn't be able to de-scramble what they were saying. If they're using it illegally in the first place I don't think that they care about whether scrambling is legal. I was simply pointing out that the scrambling is not that hard to decode.
     
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