I use www.bandconditions.com as my guide to the condition of the HF bands, but I am increasingly finding that when the guide say the band are dead if you put out a call you can get a contact. I know conditions can vary from minute to minute but I am sure the majority of hams just don't bother to try calling CQ if the various band condition web sites say that the bands are closed. A good monitor use to be SW broadcast stations, but now a lot have closed down and gone to the Internet. I wonder just how many hams rely solely on "Band Condition" web sites as a guide to the bands, maybe we should take a chance a call CQ. Len.