Discussion in 'Survey Center' started by NN4RH, Apr 8, 2012.
I was just wondering what portion of hams actually have antenna restrictions where they live.
I would not live where there were any restrictions of any kind.
I hope you always have that choice.
Where I live, the main restriction is the size of the lot. But there are homes near mine which are severely resticted (meaning "no outside antennas of any kind") which are on bigger lots, yet cost less.
73 de Jim, N2EY
The city initially tried to impose a 35 ft limit on my tower. After reading the zoning ordinances and speaking with an ARRL volunteer consul I was able to convince the city that they had no authority under the current regulation to regulate a tower. Upset a few people but at least now my tower is grandfathered when they do get around to changing the ordinances one day.
As far the CCRs. We got a copy of them long before signing a contract to purchase. I wouldn't have knowingly purchased in an antenna restricted neighborhood.
Largest antenna restriction not done by city or county, but rather done by restriction by apartment rule, balcony usage rule are often strict, however, many people break the rule by placing plant, etc. but, there is always the way, thin antenna, indoor antenna, somewhat work reasonably.
I live at home now, so there's nothing I can do. But when I move out, there will be NO CC&Rs for me. The absurdity of the restrictions here can be considered beyond insane and into the level of "mentally deficient." People have received spiteful, threating letters from the HOA about parking their cars in their driveways in public sight, or putting vegetable gardens in their backyards where they can't be seen, and even small television antennas (even though they're exempt).
I pray that the FCC's asking for comments about "Impediments to enhanced Amateur Radio Service communications" leads to a curtailment of these insane [home owners] organizations.
No I don't and I never will unless they carry me out feet first and that little 5x8' piece of ground has restrictions.
IMHO that ain't living at all. I won't say never as my health is not good and I may wind up somewhere ham radio would be totally prohibido such as a nursing home but as long as I can call the shots, never. Not being able to have a few chickens here now is ridiculous enough.
I live in an HOA with severe restrictions which I was aware of before moving in. My XYL wanted to live here. I get around the restrictions by clandestine operation but my signal would be a lot better if the HOA were to make "reasonable accomodations," - say a 30-35 ft height allowance for simple wire or vertical antennas. I've started a petition to the FCC to void developer and HOA based antenna restrictions. If you're interested in supporting the petition, you can sign it and write in optional informal comments at the link below. So far nearly 1000 signatures have been collected.
Needed another option. I had to choose between strictly enforced and not enforced and chose strictly enforced. The truth is somewhere in between. Most of the covenants here are not enforced. They don't even try to enforce them. But "architectural" changes evoke a very cumbersome and rigid process that is strictly enforced. Try replacing your deck without having gone through the HOA process and you get hit with a restraining order. Ignore that and they place a lien on the property. Ignore that and they foreclose. Here in North Carolina any HOA can impose fines of up to $100 a day except for some older HOAs that specifically opt-out of the NC Planned Community Act.
Outside antennas are prohibited except for small satellite dishes that cannot be seen from the street. Over 100 homes in the community and I am the only licensed ham ( according to a search of the FCC database for my zip-code ). I have served on my HOA board and understand how it works. I agree with the "idea" behind restrictive covenants ( protect property values and prevent poorly-maintained and unattractive properties ) but I disagree with the way "some" HOAs enforce them in a rigid and heavy-handed manner. Mine happens to be more reasonable, but I would not dare ask permission to put up an outside antenna, so I am stuck with an antenna in the attic ( and maybe a flagpole antenna if I can manage that ).
Before joining these forums and reading what people have posted about antenna restrictions I was thinking if you don't want to comply with the rules, then don't buy into a community with restrictions. Now I realize that many people do not have a reasonable choice of where to live. I pretty much have to live in a gated, restricted community ( for safety and low maintenance, I am retired and live alone ). But I would love to put up some "real" antennas.
And yes, I agree with and have signed the petition facilitated by N4UM. Even so, I would not want my HOA board deciding what is a "reasonable" antenna for me to have in order to pursue my hobby. I would rather the FCC issue "reasonable" guidelines that hams can simply comply with. If the ham fails to comply with FCC guidelines, then ( and only then ) could the HOA complain. My point is that as a ham I want to put up the most effective antennas I can manage, but as a "neighbor" I would object to anything that is huge or ugly and that makes it hard for me to sell my home if I need to. The problem then becomes what is reasonable and what is "ugly" ... and surely we all have different ideas on what is an "attractive" antenna and which is "ugly" ... but let's see what happens.
I wish the poll had a question response along the lines of rules being enforced, and consider/grant exceptions.
I live in such a place and long story short a compromise was reached and I was granted permission to put up a vertical in my back yard about 18 months ago. I went with the SteppIR Big IR vertical, and have been very pleased. You can see a photo of it on my QRZ bio page. It's 32 feet in height, so the peak of my home pretty much swallows its appearnce from the street. I laid down 48 ground radials (about 1,000 feet of 16 gague wire), which was the labor of love part of the installation.
Part of the permission process was to gather signatures of home owners on my street agreeing to the antenna. That means I door knocked about 20 homes. I felt quite fortunate in that not one person objected after answering their questions.
The HOA wasn't going to go along with me having a Yagi or LP on a nice tower, so the vertical was the perfect compromise. I can enjoy the HF part of the hobby without people in my neighborhood complaining about seeing an "eyesore".
Being in the part of Florida that I live in, its hard to find a nice home in a good school district that is not in an HOA. The five year plan is to buy a few acres and have a home built in a regular fee simple area. That is the best way around deed restrictions IMHO in my area.
You're right. But I didn't think of that when I composed the poll. To read the recent threads on the subject, having an HOA accommodate anything at all would seem to be exceedingly rare.
WS4B --- Very nice to hear your HOA is so reasonable. My HOA has a similar process for architectural "changes" while excluding outside antennas other than DISH or DirectTV from consideration. Even so, obtaining signatures ( not permissions, but acknowledgements ) from any neighbor who has a line of sight to my home I would consider a challenge. I would rather contact neighbors by mail with an informative package and invite them to the HOA hearing where I could make my case. I applaud your ability and willingness to knock on doors ( and your success ).
Having a few acres, building a house, without HOA restrictions, sounds wonderful. Indeed, that is exactly what I did when I retired. Sold my home in the DC area, bought 16 acres in rural North Carolina, had a house built, and was just about to put a rig together and build an antenna farm, when I suffered a massive head injury. Now I live on less than an acre ( and most of that is lake ) in a gated community with HOA restrictions. It was something I just had to do, given my age, living alone, and my loss of physical dexterity.
Not wise to tell New Mexicans they can't. They will spit on your boot while looking you in the eye and teach you colorful disrespectful Spanish words.
I have a different kind of restriction: I rent.
6 cars in the weed infested back yard. no law against that if they all run. I start them all every weekend.
Renting for housing is for many HAM. Specially in city , where buying house is very expensive. but, getting on the air is still possible, I had many QSO with indoor antenna both on HF and 2 meter FM. just not as good as those with large outdoor antenna.
I have XYL restrictions.
"Towers are ugly and too expensive.
You have too many antennas already."
i have no restrictions beyond what the city imposes. Those are minimal after you stare down the planner who has a Napoleon complex. The
regulations are simply basic safety issues easily handled by presenting the engineers report for the tower you want to put up. I have littlsympathyhy
for those who buy into HOA's. I find it hard to believe that it is as hard to find "suitable" housing outside HOA's.. If I found it that hard to
find unencumbered houses here, I would look somewhere else.. We have a few HOA communities here but there are plenty of houses both old
and new not within HOA's.. In the county there are almost no restrictions. If a person doesnt care to deal with the city's building regulations
he can go outside the limits, maybe 15 miles, and build antennas to his hearts content.
I chose my house for a variety of reasons. One was that it had no antenna restrictions beyond the safety issues that the city planners have.
If there were more restrictions than those, I would have chosen to live some place else. It's just plain stupid to buy a house with more
restrictions than you are happy with. If you do, it's even more stupid to complain about making ridiculous. It's rediculous to ask the feds
to stepremedyd legislate a remidy for your stupidity and make it easier for you to pursue your hobby..
No real limits here because I use wire antennas. About half of the plot (about one and a half acres total) is wetland. If I wanted to put up a vertical mounted on a pole, or even a tower, it'd be strictly illegal to do so on the wetlands. Wetlands don't have to be wet on the surface to be considered wetland -- sometimes even moisture six inches below the ground is enough. Also, the boundaries of a wetland are determined by soil composition. The legal penalties would be pretty high for anyone who would even attempt to pour concrete on the wetlands.
No veggies? There are some commercial establishments which plant "decorative cabbage" along the storefront.
Bizarre. My neighbor has a large boxed vegetable patch (she's a master gardener), and people visit her house just to _admire_ her garden.
Maybe it's a West Coast thing. Then again, HOA's aren't common in this part of New England.
HOA - a four letter word!