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25 Aprile 1874 : Born Guglielmo Marconi the Father of the radio !

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by IW2BSF, Apr 24, 2017.

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  1. IW2BSF

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  2. LU9FMS

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    That's awesome!
     
  3. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    We are approaching the 100th anniversary of Marconi's (along with Franklin) invention of METAMATERIALS. This is his least attributed and perhaps his most important--in contemporary terms--invention:

    USP 1301473 (see, for example, Fig 11).

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  4. KA0HCP

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    Happy Birthday "GM" as he was referred to by his employees.
     
  5. 9A7DA

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    Hi
    First at all Father of the radio is Nikola Tesla !
    Guglielmo Marconi stole a patent from Nikola Tesla and not one more than to complete or make a radio and a point!
    Best regards Tom, 9A7DA
     
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  6. OM8FR

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  7. KM6CND

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    I recall a documentary about Tesla that suggested Marconi used several Tesla owned patents in his radios without recognition or compensation...
     
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  8. IW2BSF

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    9A7D and KM6CND you are shure of this ? demonstation please with documents ?


    and..... REMEMBER that marconi was a NOBEL PRIZE ! 73
     
  9. KM6CND

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    I am a History Junkie and I'm addicted to it. It was likely a bio on Tesla and his life and in that documentary the use of Tesla's intellectual property was mentioned in detail in the advent of radio. That's all I can offer for now...
     
  10. 9A7DA

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    Please read that :
    " With his newly created Tesla coils, the inventor soon discovered that he could transmit and receive powerful radio signals when they were tuned to resonate at the same frequency. When a coil is tuned to a signal of a particular frequency, it literally magnifies the incoming electrical energy through resonant action. By early 1895, Tesla was ready to transmit a signal 50 miles to West Point, New York... But in that same year, disaster struck. A building fire consumed Tesla's lab, destroying his work.

    The timing could not have been worse. In England, a young Italian experimenter named Guglielmo Marconi had been hard at work building a device for wireless telegraphy. The young Marconi had taken out the first wireless telegraphy patent in England in 1896. His device had only a two-circuit system, which some said could not transmit "across a pond." Later Marconi set up long-distance demonstrations, using a Tesla oscillator to transmit the signals across the English Channel.

    Tesla filed his own basic radio patent applications in 1897. They were granted in 1900. Marconi's first patent application in America, filed on November 10, 1900, was turned down. Marconi's revised applications over the next three years were repeatedly rejected because of the priority of Tesla and other inventors.

    The Patent Office made the following comment in 1903:

    Many of the claims are not patentable over Tesla patent numbers 645,576 and 649,621, of record, the amendment to overcome said references as well as Marconi's pretended ignorance of the nature of a "Tesla oscillator" being little short of absurd... the term "Tesla oscillator" has become a household word on both continents [Europe and North America].
    But no patent is truly safe, as Tesla's career demonstrates. In 1900, the Marconi Wireless Telegraph Company, Ltd. began thriving in the stock markets—due primarily to Marconi's family connections with English aristocracy. British Marconi stock soared from $3 to $22 per share and the glamorous young Italian nobleman was internationally acclaimed. Both Edison and Andrew Carnegie invested in Marconi and Edison became a consulting engineer of American Marconi. Then, on December 12, 1901, Marconi for the first time transmitted and received signals across the Atlantic Ocean.

    Otis Pond, an engineer then working for Tesla, said, "Looks as if Marconi got the jump on you." Tesla replied, "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."

    But Tesla's calm confidence was shattered in 1904, when the U.S. Patent Office suddenly and surprisingly reversed its previous decisions and gave Marconi a patent for the invention of radio. The reasons for this have never been fully explained, but the powerful financial backing for Marconi in the United States suggests one possible explanation.

    Tesla was embroiled in other problems at the time, but when Marconi won the Nobel Prize in 1911, Tesla was furious. He sued the Marconi Company for infringement in 1915, but was in no financial condition to litigate a case against a major corporation. It wasn't until 1943—a few months after Tesla's death— that the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Tesla's radio patent number 645,576. The Court had a selfish reason for doing so. The Marconi Company was suing the United States Government for use of its patents in World War I. The Court simply avoided the action by restoring the priority of Tesla's patent over Marconi. "

    Tesla demonstrated the principles behind radio nearly ten years before Marconi.
    Please read a Books !
    Best regards , Tom - 9A7DA

     
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  11. IW2BSF

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    see this :

    http://www.radiomarconi.com/marconi/popov/sentenza.html



    and read this book in english :

    https://www.amazon.it/Marconi-Man-Who-Networked-World-ebook/dp/B01HGW3ZUG


    here say that TESLA was tha father of the radio:

    http://etleboro.blogspot.it/2007/06/nikola-tesla-e-guglielmo-marconi-chi-ha.html


    please read here (translate with google ) :

    http://www.fgm.it/marconi/personaggi/nikola-tesla.html


    Tesla died of a heart attack, poverty and loneliness, in New York in 1943. In the same year a US Supreme Court ruling on the use of some US patents penalized the Marconi Company by providing a sort of legal remedy (Very weak and limited) to those who intended to nourish the myth of Tesla and attribute him the title of "real" inventor of the radio.

    Though very popular, Nikola Tesla never got the Nobel Prize, though in 1915 the newspapers announced unkindly that that year would be rewarded with the Edison eager. In 1909, when Marconi was rewarded, Tesla was considered defrauded. In fact, he considered Italian a sort of usurper. But he was only partially right: Tesla must be acknowledged the unquestioned merit of first showing how he could send a remote electrical impulse, but not that of sending a message, as did Marconi with the Morse signals. And above all, Tesla did not give a tangible result to his intuition, as Marconi made it and developed it step by step, creating wireless telegraphy.

    this the fact !



    and this :

    http://www.fmboschetto.it/didattica/90Radio/Radio_EL/2.html

    ...Tesla NOT finished its opera ! Marconi built a system that work well .





    and in a famous newspaper in italy :


    Most people are convinced that the inventor of the radio is Guglielmo Marconi, yet there is a ruling of a 1943 American court granting paternity to Tesla. Marconi visited Tesla's labs, could it have been a starting point or even stole the idea?

    In 1909, Tesla regretted the news of the Nobel Prize in Marconi and it seems that three years later he rejected the disappointed prize. What is the truth?


    "There is no truth, my view is that both of them had come to similar conclusions." Marconi, of course, was visiting Tesla's labs, but I do not think he stole the idea: the American court has only shown that Tesla developed First of all, the project, which was in any case a less sophisticated system than that of Marconi, can be said that the principle of radio is to be attributed to Tesla in chronological order, and for this reason, the Serbian-Croatian scientist felt defrauded, Tesla exaggerated because very often in the field of science it happens that more researchers independently reach the same results. "


    73 de IW2BSF - Rudy


    Now.... your documents please ?

     
  12. 9A7DA

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    You did not prove anything !
    Fact one :
    Radio (1897): Tesla first sent a wireless transmission from his lab at Houston Street in New York City to a boat on the Hudson River -- 25 miles (40 km) away -- in 1897; he would've done this sooner but for a fire that destroyed his previous lab in 1895.

    Fact two :
    " In 1900, the U.S. Patent Office granted Tesla patents 645,576 and 649,621, the fundamental design of the Tesla coils, on March 20 and May 15 respectively. Tesla's radio patents gave him ownership over one of the key necessities in radio communications. That same year, on Nov. 10, Marconi filed patent No. 7777, for tuned telegraphy "
    These are the facts !

    In fact, a Supreme Court case in 1943 ruled that Tesla was the father of Radio. Marconi's first patent was issued in 1900 and Tesla's in 1898.
    Best regards Tom , 9A7DA
     
  13. IW2BSF

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    Tom the document of the supreme court please ? tnx


    Tesla / Marconi
    The Device of the Judgment.


    The Marconi company filed this claim with the US Tribunal in accordance with United States law 35 USC 68, 35 USCA 68 in order to collect the indemnity for breach of four US patents. Two patents, namely no. 763,772 and the re-issue no. 11,913 had been issued to Marconi, the third, namely, no. 609,154 to Lodge, and the fourth, no. 803,684 to Fleming.

    The Court held that the Marcon patent in re-issue was not violated. It also held that the claims under consideration of the instance, with the exception of claim 16 of Marconi's patent no. 763,772 are not valid; And claim 16 of the patent is valid and has been violated. The Court granted the requesting party in the present case approximately $ 42,984.93 in interest. He felt that the Patent Lodge was valid and was violated, and that the Fleming patent was not violated and was rendered null by an incorrect revocation. The case was presented on the basis of the certificate materials, 317 U.S. 620, 63 S.Ct.263,87 L. Ed .--; 28 U.S.C.288- (320 U.S. 1, 4) (b), 28 U.S.C.A. 288 (b), at the request of Marconi in no. 369, to reconsider the ruling of the Court of Human Rights, considering the claims of the instance other than Marconi's claim 16, and holding the Fleming patent invalid and non-violated, and at the request of the Government in no. 373 to re-examine the decision by permitting redemption for breach of claim 16 of the Marconi patent.

    No revision was requested by the two parties as regards the Court's ruling to uphold the Lodge patent and to consider that the first Marcon patent in breach was not violated.


    --------------------------------------------

    The major difference is that Marconi had instantly realized the application of electromagnetic waves in the field of wireless communication. And in this direction all his patents were filed. Tesla, on the other hand, had been bothered by the wireless transmission, but did not count with the Gauss theorem.


    Old story ....

    Tesla was a great scientist who understood that he could transmit and receive through radio waves ... but his purpose was pure energy transfer.
    Marconi had the intuition to exploit them to convey information ... with all that comes of it.

    73 de IW2BSF - Rudy



    From Wikipedia:


    Nikola Tesla's controversy

    Marconi's invention of the invention of the radio was always controversial by Nikola Tesla. In 1943, a Supreme Court judgment of the United States recognized Nikola Tesla's paternity of the radio patent. [37]

    Long before, in 1911, the British High Court in Mr. Justice Parker's decision ruled in a similar proceeding [38] the validity of Marconi's patents and in the years before 1943 many other judgments were pronounced with swinging trends for the Parties concerned. On the US Supreme Court there are also criticisms of the fact that at that time Marconi had a lawsuit with the US military and the ruling of the Supreme Court rendered Marconi's claims on the alleged intellectual violations of the " army. In fact, this is not true since the US government paid the sum of about $ 43,000 of interest at the time, to Marconi's company for a patent by Oliver Lodge that the company had bought from the latter [39] .

    Marconi's supporters argued that Marconi was unaware of Nikola Tesla's work in the United States. However, the works "On Light and Other Phenomena of Other Frequency" (Philadelphia / St Louis, Franklin Institute in 1893) and "Experiments with High-Potential and Frequency Alternating Currents" (London, 1892) were spread all over the world and Consequently it is possible that Marconi knew the work of Nikola Tesla. [40]
    Chronology and patents ownership according to US jurisdiction.

    Nikola Tesla in March 1900 patented (delivered in 1897 [41]) an electric power transmission system that could also be used to transmit radio signals (future use for Wi-Fi). [42] In 1898 he patented a multichannel radio remote control that allowed a short distance to control vessels and whose base control system was made up of four tuned circuits at the same frequency.

    Here everything:

    Https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi
     
  14. IW2BSF

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    see ? and this is WIKIPEDIA not me or you .... hi :)
     
  15. KA0HCP

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    Marconi is the father of radio. He saw it's possibilities. He gathered the 'components" invented by others. He understood how they functioned, put them together, nurtured them, and delivered the baby. He raised it up, educated it and set it to work in the world.

    None of his predecessors were either capable or interested in doing so. The same can be said of the Wright brothers. They didn't invent the airplane. They didn't invent all the bits and pieces. They weren't the first to fly. But they were the fathers of the the airplane and sustained flight.

    Regardless of who invented or patented bits and pieces, Marconi is the father of radio.
     
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