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A new way to compare HF antennas

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by G3CWI, Jan 10, 2017.

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  1. G3CWI

    G3CWI Ham Member QRZ Page

    Testing HF antennas is a tricky thing to do. Simple on-air test are
    seldom conclusive and are more often than not, they are just plain
    confusing. SOTABEAMS has come up with a completely new way to test
    antennas, locations and to monitor propagation using the WSPR system.



    SOTABEAMS system consists of two parts; WSPRlite a WSPR beacon with
    electronic power control and DXplorer.net a data analysis website.

    WSPRlite sends a test transmission which is received by hundreds of
    stations across the world. DXplorer.net is a web based system that
    gathers these reports and presents them in a whole new way, allowing
    the user to check the DX performance of their antenna system. However,
    the real break-though is the ability to compare systems in real time and
    all over the world. DXplorer.net doesthis in a simple and intuitive way
    enabling you to see what difference changes to your antenna system really
    make to its DX performance.

    More information on WSPRlite and DXplorer.net is available at:

    http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/wsprlite
     
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  2. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    So you've machine-automated the reverse beacon system....using WSPR, and provided an analytical display for comparitive results.

    Frankly, I do these things on CW on a daily basis, using a real-live person, but I can understand why a machine-based system may have some value to those who don't want to call CQ on CW (thereby turning on the RBN logging), and just want to see the results.

    The REAL issue is not PROPAGATION, but POPULATION. I am not the only one to see a huge turn down in QSO's with the new onset of the susnpot min. For example, I will regularly turn on 20-40 RB receivers with my high gain fractal omni antennas, with decent to excellent SNR. But no answers to CQ's. Typically, I call CQ and also do something else while waiting for answers--write reports, books, check email, exercise. Three years ago I would get 50-300 Q's in a short run, no contest needed.

    I compare antennas all the time on RBN.

    If this new system gets people attune to the idea of 'being heard', that great--but its no substitute for 'being OTA'.

    Anyway the package sounds nice, and is clearly cost effective.

    I STRONGLY suggest you see the 2017 NA total solar eclipse as an opportunity to sell and showcase the system. Best of luck with the new product.

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2017
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  3. KA0HCP

    KA0HCP XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    You must take the results from the WSPR network with a large grain of salt. Since the receiving stations are volunteers who do not have 1. A standard, identical antenna 2. Nor a standard Spherical pattern 3. Nor any sort of calibration to compensate for installation qualities, nor to compensate for the non-standard antenna pattern, the numbers are highly subjective. It's better than a subjective RST report, however!
     
  4. KA0HCP

    KA0HCP XML Subscriber QRZ Page

    dupe.
     
  5. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Its a comparison, not an absolute:) The ratios cancel like factors.

    It assumes that your prop differential (in dB) via the comparison is identical for your antenna A on day 1, so when you replace or raise antenna A with antenna B, any identical differential is caused by the difference in Antenna B as an antenna system. The uncertainty is probably one or two db.

    :)
     
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  6. K4KPT

    K4KPT Ham Member QRZ Page

    The REAL issue is not PROPAGATION, but POPULATION. I am not the only one to see a huge turn down in QSO's with the new onset of the susnpot min. For example, I will regularly turn on 20-40 RB receivers with my high gain fractal omni antennas, with decent to excellent SNR. But no answers to CQ's. Typically, I call CQ and also do something else while waiting for answers--write reports, books, check email, exercise. Three years ago I would get 50-300 Q's in a short run, no contest needed.

    Could it be all those hams living with HOA antenna restrictions? Sure, when propagation is good, you can load up a bedspring and make a contact.
    Fewer hams with EFFECTIVE outdoor antennas?
     
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  7. G3CWI

    G3CWI Ham Member QRZ Page

    You are right. That is why DXplorer.net does not use the reported signal at all. It processes the data in a completely different way.
     
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  8. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    ....and given that there are many people here with metrology backgrounds in antennas, what way is that?

    I don't believe there is anything new in the measurement process.
     
  9. KG5EXW

    KG5EXW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Never mind all the whingers, whiners and nitpickers ... I think this is well cool and I guess I'm gonna go buy one.
     
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  10. NK7B

    NK7B Ham Member QRZ Page

    Agree.

    NK7B
     
  11. N5EIT

    N5EIT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Cool... I'll probably buy one. It'll be neat to compare my field expedient antennas in a different way and give me something to play with. That's the great thing about this HOBBY, there is something for everyone's interest. There's always the 10% of haters... It's cool to look at the data in a different way. In the real world everyone doesn't have a great antenna anyway. They use what they have.

    Using the spectrum is what keeps our privileges from being raped by special interests.

    It's the same thing with contesting. Use of the spectrum... I like contesting but your signal reports are hardly accurate in contests or even in many casual qso's. This is more accurate than some dude that just wants a contact and spits out a 599 rst in a crazed dash for a piece of paper or qso verification.

    It's a shame, but TRUE!!! I'm not whining... simply stating facts... I love this hobby, everyone, and everything in it.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2017
  12. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    No whiners here. On the contrary: there are no NEW ways of doing differential measurements of antennas. That is good news, as it means that if properly implemented, this is a valuable tool. Please see my initial post.

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  13. N5EIT

    N5EIT Ham Member QRZ Page

    W1YW
    Really neat fractal antennas. That's interesting stuff. I've seen your antennas in use... Cool
     
  14. W1YW

    W1YW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thank you.

    I actually am very supportive of antennas in the amateur arena, as with this OP. I will be buying at least one unit myself.

    Sorry my comments were taken in the negative by some.

    73
    Chip W1YW
     
  15. M6THQ

    M6THQ Ham Member QRZ Page

    I've used mine for the last 6 weeks and it's very interesting to see how an antenna performs on one band, while I am OTA elsewhere. Great bit of kit and very affordable.
     

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