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  1. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Curious if there is any 2 meter ssb action in your neck of the woods---how about 6 meter ssb...?? and also the Radio Band Chart says that a Tech has RTTY and DATA as well as Phone and Image but makes no mention of SSB phone for any class ticket unless the shade of yellow on the key is the same for phone and ssb?? Any help here please.........
    Thanks and 73's
    glenn KD8OEK
  2. WB2WIK

    WB2WIK Premium Subscriber QRZ Page

    The FCC regs for 6m and 2m are really easy: 50-50.1 and 144-144.1 are CW only. All other modes can be used above that, to the upper edge of each band.

    Now, by "convention," we have other "set asides." The SSB domestic calling frequencies are 50.125 and 144.200, respectively, USB. There are areas were beacons are "allocated," although on 6m those are all in the "CW only" band, whereas on 2m they aren't, they're up above the SSB calling frequency area. Not by regulation, just by "band plan agreements," with which most willingly adhere.

    2m also has some set-aside areas for satellite work, and of course the upper sections of both bands are committed to FM simplex and repeater work.

    RTTY's been allowed on these bands for a very long time but it's not much used on VHF. Weak signal data modes are becoming popular (WSJT).

    As for "activity," SSB/CW operators use horizontal polarization by convention so if you use a vertically polarized antenna (such is common for FM work), you're guaranteed not to hear much normal tropo activity. A good, high, horizontally polarized beam fed with low-loss coax -- or going portable to operate from mountaintops even with smaller antennas -- is almost guaranteed to let you in on the action.

    Most signals are not strong, they're weak. Thankfully atmospheric noise levels on VHF are low, so you can easily hear weak signals.
  3. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thanks for the GREAT info......I have been using an Arrow J-Pole in the attic (due to HOA rules) for 2 meter and 440 fm and an Arrow yagi for the Amsats set-up in my shack( due to being unable to go outside very easily due to medical reasons) and have been considering an all-mode rig for ssb....I think my main drawback will be no outside antenna....I have read some on stealth antennas but need to learn more....I must say, I have been enjoying this new hobby
    Thanks again and 73's;
    glenn KD8OEK
  4. KD8DEY

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    I hear a couple old timer chatting away on 144.199.700
    One's local the other is about 60 miles away near "Port Royal" Oh
  5. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thanks for the reply;
    Have U had many QSO's on 2 meter ssb and if so do U need alot of power to get much distance or need a mega-huge beam 60 ' in the air or both or neither....I have heard folks talk of 200/250 mile QSO's on 2 this possible or just a feel good yarn !!!!-----do you REALLY like ALPO ???? :p
    glenn KD8OEK

  6. WB2WIK

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    If you like 2m SSB and are restricted to attic antennas, I'd strongly recommend just taking it all portable and operating from hilltops.

    Ohio doesn't have any great ones, unfortunately; however the highest point in PA is a good spot, and going south to WVA, Spruce Knob might be within reasonable driving distance (it's about 4800' high). That is a great location I have operated from several times, myself.

    From the summit of Spruce Knob, on 2m SSB, on a weekend when there is activity, you can work from Nova Scotia, Canada (VE1) to Atlanta, GA to Chicago, IL using about 20W PEP on 2m SSB and a decent horizontal beam.

    That is great fun.
  7. WB3BEL

    WB3BEL Ham Member QRZ Page

    Using indoor antennas on VHF is a drawback, but depending on your location, it may be OK or it may be impossible. A lot of how well this will work depends on :
    1. What kind of construction materials your home is made of. If its mainly wood it might be OK.

    2. The quality of your location for VHF work. If you live on a high spot without many trees around it might be also good. If you live in a low spot with lots of trees it will be worse.

    3. How much noise you have from local interference sources like switching power supplies, TV sets, computers, etc. If its quiet at your location that is a big plus. Weak signals can be hard to hear in background noise.

    4. How big your antennas are. I know of at least one ham who is restricted to indoor antennas and he does reasonably well. Obviously things would be better with outdoor antennas, but sometimes you do what you can.

    Check out this link for more info on Les N1LF's setup
  8. KF5FEI

    KF5FEI Ham Member QRZ Page

    For 2m SSB, Google Sidewinders on Two.

    Keep in mind many of these guys are really serious and have big antenna arrays and run lots of power. However, with a similar antenna to the Arrow and a 4-watt all-mode radio I've checked into the local SSB net a few times and I can hear (very faintly) some stations hundreds if miles away.
  9. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    I wish I could go mobile but health problems have me pretty much house bound and dependent on some friends to maintain my 'antenna farm' in the attic.....soooooo I will investigate antenna desighns and possibly try my hand at building one with the help of those good friends...:p.... I have purchased a used Kenwood TR-751 A and will be giving usb a try fairly soon....I may even try my Arrow 2 meter/440 yagi on it to see what sort of signals I can hear...
    Thanks and 73's
    glenn KD8OEK

  10. KF5FEI

    KF5FEI Ham Member QRZ Page

    One of our club members moved into a antenna-restricted area, and he installed his sat antennas in the attic -- pretty cool, but you have to have a really tall roof to accommodate it.
  11. HZ1BW

    HZ1BW Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thank you very much for the information
  12. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thanks for your help and suggestions...
    1.our condo is constructed of mainly wood and the antennas that I have in the attic now are working fairly well, and I can hit 2 meter repeaters 45/50 miles away with a J-Pole and my Wellbrook SWL loop as well as a 33' sloper both work well on SWL
    2. I think our elevation is approx. 690 ft.....not great but atleast not in a valley
    3. The QRN is very low here due to being on the edge of a small town with no major broadcasting in our area although I ofcourse have the customary laptop-TV etc.
    4. I currently have an Arrow dual band J-Pole which I understand is not very efficient for ssb then I also have an Arrow dual band yagi for chasing the sat's...I may give an antenna build project a U say "do what U can"
    Thanks for the link...interesting attic projects
    Thanks again;
    glenn KD8OEK

  13. KD8OEK

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    The thought has crossed my mind.......our condo has all kinds of room in the attic since it was built as a two story but with the upper level unfinished with a drop down ladder in the garage for access.........

  14. KD8OEK

    KD8OEK Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thanks for the info. John, I initially thought that 'Sidewinders on Two' was strictly for the Texas area but I found they are all over the country and one of the 'BIGGEST VOICES' in America on 2 meter ssb is about 35/40 miles from my QTH and his first name is the same as mine !!!! small world....they also led me to there Yahoo group forum.....can't wait for that Kenwood TR-751A to arrive now (LOL)
    glenn KD8OEK

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