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ARLB011 Amateur Radio Parity Act Language Inserted in National Defense Authorization Act

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  1. KX0DW

    KX0DW QRZ Lifetime Member #212 Platinum Subscriber Life Member QRZ Page

    You're interpreting this too broadly, a mistake the lawyers working for the CAI/HOAs won't make.

    See http://forums.qrz.com/index.php?thr...authorization-act.611918/page-18#post-4668309
     
  2. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Rather than continue this debate, I will let the President's wet ink signature serve to answer this and all of your other remaining questions in the not too distant future.
     
  3. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    That by itself is meaningless. The number that matters to AR is how many of the new HOAs have outdoor antenna bans. The new ones around here do not have outdoor antenna restrictions, so they aren't a problem for AR.
     
  4. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    "Around here" is not representative of everyone else in the country.
     
  5. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    But it does prove that not all of the HOAs that you mentioned have antenna restrictions.
     
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  6. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    All of the HOA's with antenna bans, doesn't mean all HOA's.

    I think you're grasping at semantics.
     
  7. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    I really have only one question and already have the answer...
    Q: What is the real NEED for this legislation?
    A: None; it's all about WANT.
     
  8. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Exactly. That means the number of HOAs with antenna bans is somewhere between 0% and 100%, but nobody knows where. Until that number is known, there's no way to even say that there is an "HOA problem" in AR.
     
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  9. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    ...and the numbers I've seen say nationally, about three in four properties aren't in a HOA. That would include ALL HOAs. That doesn't sound like there's a problem.
     
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  10. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Why is the exact number important?

    We know it's the majority of HOA's that don't permit any outdoor ham radio antennas. I don't think that's in any way an unreasonable statement or conclusion.

    It's like suggesting the majority of HOA's don't permit cars to be jacked up on the front lawn on concrete blocks without any tires. No, I don't have exact numbers on how many HOA's that don't permit this, but it's a certainty to conclude the majority of HOA's have rules against that.

    Outdoor antennas at HOA's? Yeah, most don't like that either. Not even satellite dishes or TV antennas. That probobly explains why OTARD exists.
     
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  11. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Interesting.

    That would mean that the total number of properties with CC&R that do restrict antennas is somewhere below 25%. That would put the number between 0% and 25%, exclusive. It's looking like it's not even possible for there to be an "HOA problem," at least not in AR.
     
  12. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    If the number of CC&R properties with antenna bans is 0.0005%, then making any public policy decision for such a teeny-tiny minority of properties makes no sense. Public policy should benefit the public, not just a tiny elite. So until you know what the number is, there is no way to know if there is a public policy problem with respect to CC&R and AR at all.
    Until you know how many there are, nothing is a certainty. Not with respect to junked cars, and not with respect to antenna restrictions.
     
  13. WA7PRC

    WA7PRC Ham Member QRZ Page

    Since only 1 in 4 properties are in a HOA, even less than that would be restricted.
     
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  14. KC8VWM

    KC8VWM Ham Member QRZ Page

    What do you know about the history of OTARD and why it exists exactly?

    Is it because only a few and far between HOA's didn't permit any outdoor satellite and TV antennas?

    -OR- is it because a vast majority of HOA's didn't permit any outdoor antennas? ....Ya think? :)

    OTARD exists because this was a major problem to install any outdoor TV and satellite dish antennas at HOA's. Ham radio antennas did not get any exemption under OTARD at the time but clearly the outdoor antenna problem existed at a good majority of HOA's.

    However, like TV and satellite dishes were viewed by HOA's before OTARD came along, it still remains to be a major problem to install any outdoor ham radio antennas at HOA's.
     
  15. KK5JY

    KK5JY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Now you're just off-topic. We're not talking about OTARD, which is a very different kind of rule than the one proposed.

    Among other things, OTARD also applies to rental property, which is not included in the properties covered by ARPA. That means that OTARD covers a significantly larger selection of properties than ARPA, and that's just for starters. I wonder how many rental properties banned outdoor antennas prior to OTARD?

    The numbers that would justify OTARD are very different than the ones that are required to justify ARPA. When ARPA covers rental properties, as well as owned property, then you can talk about using OTARD to justify ARPA.
     
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