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2019 State of Ham Radio Survey

Discussion in 'Amateur Radio News' started by N8RMA, Mar 1, 2019.

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  1. N8RMA

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    Just a friendly reminder that the 2019 State of the Hobby survey is still open.

    So far, we've had over 1500 responses after just 7 short days. At this rate we're on course to beat the response rate from the last two years combined. A huge THANK YOU to those who have participated already.

    At this point only 18% of respondents have participated before. This means that roughly 3000 operators who took the survey in 2017 or 2018 have not responded for 2019. If you have previously done the survey, it's okay to do it for 2019 - in fact, it's welcomed! A critical component to the survey is being able to see trends, which is only bolstered by having both new and repeated participation.

    This survey is important for hams around the world for a few reasons, first we need data independent from regulatory and commercial bodies about the topics that impact us. Second, this survey is a benchmark to help determine what is working and what is not in the ham radio community. This can involve participation, recruitment, mentoring and licensing. It can also help identify new and emerging trends in amateur radio. Please spread the word to your clubs, on nets and to fellow hams. Any survey is only as good as it's sample size, so having as many people as possible provide their opinions is the only way to get a clear picture.

    http://www.radiosoth.org/2019/03/2019-state-of-hobby-survey.html

    Again, huge thank you to those who have taken the survey and those who have promoted it to others. I could not undertake this without your help!

    73
     
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  2. W8JBM

    W8JBM Ham Member QRZ Page

    I don't blame you. I live in the kind of country but that seems to be getting more dense as the years move on. A man needs room for antennas and, um, independent thinking and what-not... 73!
     
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  3. KE8UW

    KE8UW Ham Member QRZ Page

    I realize that code is very old technology and not embraced by all. I've struggled with code since being a novice many years ago (5 WPM requirement). I did obtain a general class license (13 WPM), but failed the code portion for Extra (20 WPM) many years later. Passed the written exam for extra, but did not have 1 solid minute of code at the 20 WPM rate. There were very few extra class license holders at that time, likely due to the code test. I think there are too many extra class license holders at this time. Extra class really meant something back then, now it means a person has taken the test enough times to get the right answers on enough questions to be "extra". I would not doubt that there are extra class license holders that have not been on the air or involved with this hobby for more than a few weeks. Maybe what is needed is a test that really proves operating skills, technical knowledge, or an understanding of our hobby that makes an individual 'extra'. I don't have the answer, but is seems 'extra' class hams should be 'extra' when compared to the population of hams. I plan on staying at the advanced level for this reason.
     
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  4. AA7BQ

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    Those were interesting thoughts, along with the fellow that said that at 66 years of age, he's one of the _youngsters_ at local club meetings. I'm in the same 65+ age group, and certainly can appreciate the lack of youth in our hobby.

    Folks, we may well be the last generation of hams and the ham population overall has or will soon peak. Here's why, in my personal opinion:

    When we were kids, two way wireless communication was a big thing. It was cool, it was high tech. Walkie talkies were cool. Only millionaires and presidents had car phones. Those of us who were teenagers before the age of cell phones know what I'm talking about. Does anyone remember paying dues to a repeater association purely for the privilege of using their "automatic" phone patch? Do you remember how cool it was to call someone's phone from your car? Did it ever occur to you that the utility of instant, wireless communications was worth the effort to study and learn both electronics and the Morse code?

    So the question is, what does ham radio have to offer today's youth that will impress them as a Cool Thing? (that sound you hear is crickets chirping)

    I've been an electronics enthusiast since I was a teenager, but didn't get a license until I was 35. Why? Morse code. Even in the 1980's, Morse seemed like an arbitrary and arcane requirement. By the time I was 35, however, I realized that I was going to have to learn it if I was ever going to enter the hobby and so I did. I went from 5 to 20 WPM in about 6 weeks. As it happens, I enjoyed operating CW, but the fact remains that I was denied entry into the hobby for decades because of it.

    Our hobby saw a pretty good resurgence in the mid 1990's when the code was dropped, and then another resurgence once the baby boomers (guys like me) started to retire. Once retired, they had more money and time to spend on the hobby, and as a result, our numbers grew.

    What I'm saying now is that there is no replacement generation coming up behind us. The reasons are simple, and are inferred above. We have nothing "cool" to offer to the average kid, and 70+% of the existing participants are old farts (like me). Wireless communications are not cool, they are routine and taken for granted. Why would a young person get excited about a hobby that offers less in communications utility than a smart phone? As old farts, or wizened seniors if you will, we all know why we like it. We like chasing DX, putting up antennas, and building things with our hands. Have you seen the YouTube Video of kids trying to use a rotary phone?

    Our hobby pre-dates rotary phones. Our grandchildren aren't interested. If we want to make sure that we keep such riff raff out of our hobby, then by all means, let's bring back Morse code as a LID filter. That will help (drive the final nail in the coffin, that is...).

    Like it or not, today's youth expects instant gratification. In that there is no such thing in amateur radio, the hobby will likely suffer a long and painful attrition phase until finally, some other service will take our largely unused frequencies and put them to good use. It's not likely that any of us will be around when the last callsign is issued, but I can't help feel that the date is inevitable.

    -fred
     
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  5. K0UO

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    Fred's points above are right on and well taken .
    About the survey
    A lot of the information is good but doesn't ask you for much of your input. Point is, most of it is just a check a box, that they've already determined that could apply. So you can read anything you wanted into it if you put some thought into the predetermined answers.
    I think the guy that's running the survey should spend time getting his extra class and forget about the survey LOL
     
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  6. SM0AOM

    SM0AOM Ham Member QRZ Page

    The lack of youth is quite marked. Last Wednesday, I dropped by a meeting at a local club that I previously had a quite long involvement with (lecturer and educator). The meeting was quite sparsely visited, despite a quite interesting lecture about the trends in amateur gear developments, and I found that I with my soon 63 years of age was among the youngest.

    The removal of the Morse requirement was a major mistake. It served the purpose of letting in those with a genuine interest and willingness to learn, and keeping the others out.

    When it was removed, the quality of amateur radio plummeted, and also the "half-life" of the new amateurs. Here, it is very likely that a complete removal of the exam would not help neither the numbers nor the longevity of the amateurs.

    When the Morse requirement was completely dropped, there was a brief upsurge, which had a considerable component of over-age "die-hard" CB:ers that had sometimes waited since the 60s for HF access without Morse tests.

    These proved to be an unruly bunch, that brought their CB habits to amateur radio, and to make things worse, picked fights with the Authorities. Since deregulation, their patience with amateur radio is on an "all-time-low". Their perception of radio amateurs as an educated elite "went out of the window" with this.

    Soon will the last of the "spectrum bureaucrats" that hold a favourable position to amateur radio retire, and what happens next is anyone's guess.

    73/
    Karl-Arne
    SM0AOM
     
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  7. KK4HPY

    KK4HPY Ham Member QRZ Page

    Thank you , I completed the survey.
     
  8. K2LED

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    CW is but one of many digital modes. Next question...Must one demonstrate proficiency in FT8 in order to obtain a license? If not FT8 should we choose PSK31 FSK? I think that the real test to determine if a candidate is worthy is their proficiency on a spark gap transmitter. Yea, that will weed them out. Oh, you are not a real Ham if you can not do SSTV; you have been weeded out, no ticket for you. What, you have never made an EME contact? That's required to become a Ham. You don't deserve a ticket you CB'er if you cant key down on a HF AM net and talk for 20 minutes straight.

    I'm happy to be on the air whatever the mode. 73
     
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  9. K7JEM

    K7JEM Ham Member QRZ Page

    Classic case of causation vs. correlation. Like eating ice cream increases reading comprehension. Proffered with absolutely no backup data, other than the rant of the poster.

    https://www.iperceptions.com/blog/causation-vs-correlation
     
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  10. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    Agreed. It's been over a decade now and people still pine for their Morse code testing. Morse code testing tests for nothing other than Morse code knowledge. Pining for the days of Morse code testing is what's killing Amateur radio, at least in my opinion.

    Amateur radio must redefine itself now that people have far easier access to communications. There's cell phones, internet, and all other forms of communications wired and wireless. The state of Amateur radio today is that it is in this state of being redefined.

    When I started in Amateur radio I thought this redefinition would take far less time. Instead I see radios selling today that are nearly indistinguishable from those made 20 years ago. Only very recently has Amateur radio started to embrace what was promised then. I was promised software defined radios, and computer networks on Amateur radio that spanned the globe. Instead I still see people that want to tap on a key like some World War II reenactment.

    BORING!!

    If you want to see Amateur radio survive then the people in the hobby need to get beyond their bad habits from 50 years ago.

    People need to remember their history. Yes, Morse code was important to radio but remember that nobody actually wanted to use it. Morse code was a hack, a means of communication out of necessity from the technology of the time. People wanted to TALK on the radio, not listen to tones and tap on a switch. People in the business of communication abandoned it as quickly as they could, because it is a very inefficient mode of communication. Certainly Amateur radio can continue using it but any need for Morse code testing disappeared in the 1990s, if not earlier. Because the wheels of government move slowly it took decades to remove this requirement from the books.

    I realize I'm likely to get a lot of flak for my comments here. I don't care. It seems that so many see their Amateur radio license as nothing more than a Morse code speed certificate from the FCC. If that's what you want it to be then no wonder you see Amateur radio in such a sad state. Amateur radio hasn't died, you murdered it.
     
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  11. WN1MB

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    Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but are you equating operating CW to a bad habit?
     
  12. N0WBA

    N0WBA Ham Member QRZ Page

    I was exposed to ham radio after I received a shortwave radio as gift when I was a teen in the 80s, my family did not operate on the bands or have any radio equipment but Ive been a listener for many years. I finally got my tech license in 2015 or so and been on and off 2m repeaters plus doing aprs . I remember the bands being full of life in the 80s, and most of the 90s . Now, not as much, the area I live in is littered with repeaters but there is not much activity on them, Im 49 and most of the people still getting on air are mostly retired so Im definitely younger than average. I have now been researching HF and purchased an Icom 7300 to listen to, which I find HF much more interesting .

    I will say I also work in IT and think I understand where the younger generations are headed, they grew up in the world of cellphones-tablets-internet … Ham radio is not going to be a magnet to the younger crowd, maybe a nostalgia activity some may experiment with but nothing more. Im not saying HAM radio is dead, but I think relaxing requirements to get on air may encourage more to atleast try it out, HF is not cheap and takes more knowledge to get on air than throwing a cheap 2m rig in your car and messing around on repeaters. Learning cw would be a waste for me, I could learn it in a month but afterwards would not have any interest in using it and would quickly forget it. I am more interested in the other modes anyway
     
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  13. WN1MB

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    You gave up before you even tried.

    Learning the code isn't being conversant. Like any foreign language, getting to being conversationally comfortable takes time and practice - two things in short supply for instant gratification types.

    Why "CALLIHAN-44" and not your call sign? More devotion to a movie character than your amateur license?
     
  14. AC0GT

    AC0GT Ham Member QRZ Page

    If that's what you want to take away from what I said then that's fine. That's not what I said but if that's how you want to translate it then sure, operating CW is a bad habit.

    I remember a very interesting presentation at an Amateur radio club meeting where the presenter showed off CW a bit. Part of this was a transcript of a CW conversation between licensed operators, in in the USA and the other in some far off country, Japan I believe it was but I'm not certain. Anyway the conversation was in "code", and that I mean not just Morse code but a language of abbreviations, procedure words, and such. It wasn't truly "English" and so the presenter translated for the group. It amounted to an exchange of call signs, locations, weather report, and pleasantries.

    It was a quite interesting example of the "universal" language of international Morse code. However, it doesn't take a genius to realize that these same kind of conversations could be had with most any other textual mode. This could have just as easily been a keyboard to keyboard conversation with any of a number of existing digital modes and an internationally agreed upon set of code words.

    Such conversations happen every day over the radio in aviation. The international language of aviation voice communications is English, or some variation of it. This isn't "English" like most people would speak face to face as it is sprinkled with abbreviations, jargon, procedure words, and so on, much like that CW conversation.

    The primary bad habit it seems Amateur radio operators picked up from 50 years ago was equating Morse code knowledge with knowing how to operate a radio. That correlation may have been largely true many decades ago when people in the military, commercial shipping, and Amateur radio used CW regularly due to the limitations of the technology of the time. That hasn't been true since sometime in the 1980s when cheap computers came along to manage a lot of text communications. We didn't need Morse code operators any more. We needed radio operators and electronics technicians.

    This post is already long but I'll add another anecdote to make my point.

    I recall a conversation I had online, some years ago now, with another licensed Amateur where he claimed that Morse code was vital to emergency communications to the point that if it were up to him, as a manager at an emergency communications site, he'd never allow a person that did not pass the Morse code test to operate a radio. I then posed to him a theoretical scenario. He's in charge and he needs two people, someone to operate a radio and someone to hand out sandwiches and water bottles. Before him are two people and he needs to direct them where to go.

    The first man is a teenager that presented his driver's license as ID and gave his FCC license showing him as a recently licensed Technician Plus. (I did say this conversation was some time ago.) The other presents his US Coast Guard identity card, that shows he's a reservists as an Operations Specialist (the then new rating for "Radioman"). For documents to show he's certified as a radio operator he shows his GROL and Amateur Extra license that was issued after the FCC did away with the Morse code testing.

    The man I posed this scenario to said he would prefer the newly minted Technician Plus over the far more experienced reservist. Maybe someone could argue that the reservist didn't have the same experience as an Amateur radio operator, which is a still a rather silly argument since the goal is to pass communications as quickly and accurately as possible. It was also not the argument made, it was the Morse code test that made the decision for this man. There's no reason to expect this reservist to somehow be unable to operate less effectively than that teenager with a Technician Plus license. Especially since the teenager would still be limited to a small portion of the Amateur radio spectrum on HF.

    If that's the kind of thinking that comes from CW operation then that is a bad habit that needs to be broken.
     
  15. N9NY

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    Thank you for doing this. Very informative and in some areas concerning regarding the future of this hobby. Appreciate your hard work.
    73 Gregg N9NY
     

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