Digital Mode JS8 real time translation in foreign language!

You and a few others might be interested in a couple of activity snapshots taken today that would seem to show more activity on JS8 than FT8.

Both these snapshots were taken shortly after 12:30 PM local CDT - the Windows date/time window was made part of the image capture to timestamp the images from both the JS8 and FT8 screen captures from PSKReporter.

First, the JS8 activity:



And now the FT8 activity:

 

Your PC must have been broken.

FT8 1430701
RTTY 3111
CW 2857
JS8 1695
JT65 1586

 

1) Did you look at the two images - did you count the blue markers in those two images?

2) You are posting aggregate totals - do you know what an aggregate total is?

3) For what time period - probably an entire day, whereas the images above that I posted are for what - did you look? They were for an hour mid-day. (Hint: Look at the drop-down box upper right corner. Did you know you could do this on the PSKReporter website?)

It is just possible you failed at comprehending what was posted, but I can't conclude that without gleaning a little more information.

 

If you go to pskreporter and look at the statistics page you can see "modes reported over 2 hours". I think that might be a more accurate representation. But obviously JS8 at 1695 users has never had more users than FT8 at 1.4 million +. I think your page may have needed to be refreshed. It doesn't seem possible.

 

You don't seriously believe that there were 1.4 million hams on the air using FT8 during that 2 hour period?

 

That's where the "map" is a little less misleading - it will show a station if he or she has been active in that time period (30 min, an hour, etc.) on that band (as selected) and for the selected mode, with out re-counting them time and time and time again in the numerical stats. ...

 

I get that but the same applies to each mode in the count. I did the same thing you did and have often and this is the result yesterday at 4:46 pm. I suspect you needed to refresh the data.

JS8 63


FT8 1273

 

No I don't. There were 1.4 million reports in a 2 hour period. I didn't say individual Hams.

 

Obviously these "reports over a 2 hour period" show that JS8 has NEVER had more users than FT8...ever. Anything saying otherwise is flawed data. I did the same map analysis and showed that it was.

 

Well, you said "users", which to me means individual hams. Perhaps you meant "reports" since clearly there is not a one to one correspondance between those PSKR numbers and numbers of "individual hams" or "users"

Not obvious. That report over the 2 hour period only indicates that JS8 had fewer PSKR reports than FT8 ... over that 2 hour period. To say "NEVER" is a flawed conclusion - you would have to had collected data continuously as far back to the invention of JS8 in order to say "never". It's probably true but not an absolute based on a single 2 hour period.

 

Okay I guess you just want to argue the point. I backed up my flawed conclusion with the actual map data showing the number of "reporters" in North America over a 1 hour period to confirm my conclusion. I didn't make up the numbers. If the point here is to promote JS8 to the point of lying to everybody then so be it. Lets agree to disagree.

 

It's obvious that the stats for FT8 are slanted in favor of 'counts'. Just sheer, raw 'counts'.

There are a couple reasons for that, one being that a typical FT8 "contact" lasts 2 minutes maximum, whereas a JS8 contact might last 2 hours.

JS8 is a human-interaction QSO (conversation) mode vs FT8 being machine to achine contact-only mode. The data-driven IoT (Internet Of Things) industry has an acronym for that too: "M2M".

Apples and oranges.

AND I've not even considered what "automating" an FT8 station can do to the stats!

Word has it that on the order of 8,000 to 9,000 downloads of JS8call have taken place. Per capita, on a popular, useful band like 40 meters it is possible that a higher percentage of the user-base is active on JS8 than the user-base of FT8 (which has certainly has had "Its day in the sun").

 

I see JS8 v FT8 exactly as comparing SSB Contesting to Rag Chewing.

It's just a fact when there is a major contest all the eligible bands are flooded with Amateurs. Without a Contest, its just a few Rag Chewer's and Nets with just a few hundred or so people on the bands daily and that's about all.

Lets be reasonable, JS8 is a Rag Chewer's mode and it will never be as popular as FT8 which is simply a Contest Mode. But if you really think it is or ever will be, I have a lot on the Moon I would like to sell you too.

 

I know this reports seem to be in contentious, but consider this a relative trend

JS8 is in 2nd place...

Mode Count
FT8 735426
JS8 2006
CW 880
JT9 322
JT65 109
MSK144 95
PSK31 87
OPERA 40
PI4 3
ROS 3
RTTY 1

 

Re my comment about cherry picking data - CW seems to be in 2nd place
Mode Count
FT8 1322475
CW 3448
JS8 2523
PSK31 690
JT65 473
JT9 108
PSK63 81
OPERA 72
MSK144 70
ROS 41
OLIVIA 30
PI4 29
RTTY 26
JT6M 19
T10 17
OLIVIA-4 14
PSK 13
SIM31 12
CONTESTI 9
JT65B 4
FSK441 4
MFSK 3
THOR 2
HELL 2
OLIVIA-8 1
THOR16 1
THRB 1
MFSK16 1
QPSK31 1
MT63 1
OLIVIA-1 1