Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed

[kg4kww]

Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut (http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2006/07/20/lok.starr.beirut.evacuees.cnn/content.html)

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html)

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ July 20 2006,12:48)]Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut (http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2006/07/20/lok.starr.beirut.evacuees.cnn/content.html)

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html)
And how many women and children did they kill in the process?

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ July 20 2006,11:52)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ July 20 2006,12:48)]Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut (http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2006/07/20/lok.starr.beirut.evacuees.cnn/content.html)

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html)
And how many women and children did they kill in the process?
If Iran's surrogate murderers would set up camp AWAY from civilian targets, a lot fewer women and children would be caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately, protecting women and children is not an aim of Hezbollah.

[kg4kww]

Right On

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ July 20 2006,12:48)]Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.
Why didn't we leave it to them to be the ones to do the job in the first place? They certainly have more at stake in the region than we do.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ July 20 2006,11:48)]Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut (http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2006/07/20/lok.starr.beirut.evacuees.cnn/content.html)

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html)
Ummm.. Maybe because in one instance, it's a loose group of people with some big (targetable) rockets, and in the other it's entrenched guerilla infantry, continously fed by insurgents from within and without?

Our guys are just as good, as the Israels..

[XV2PS]

Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ July 21 2006,02:48)]Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut (http://www.cnn.com/video/world/2006/07/20/lok.starr.beirut.evacuees.cnn/content.html)

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/mideast/index.html)
When I read you, it recalls me Bush on an aircraft carrier saying "the war is over" about Iraq. How long ago? Is it over?

So i would not take the risk of saying half hezbollah is down.

I would say that as long as Israelli bomb and kill civilians (300++ for 3 soldiers captured?), Hezbollah is growing well.

Israelli say they fight terrorism, but actually they feed their re-birth very well.

I wont talk about who began the trouble, because it is the chicken and the egg. You have to come back 2,000 years ago. But it is clear that for Israel, to keep I do not know how many "terrosits" in prison (who were just risen in refgee camps daily humiliated), it is acceptable, while hezbollah keeping 3 soldiers, it is unacceptable.

Where is the moderation???

[N7RJD]

They may have destroyed half of Hezbollah's military power but it's the other half that will kill you. Let's forget about the half that is done for now and concentrate on the half that is still launching rockets and missiles. There are times where it can save your life to be a pesimist. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC2OFN]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (VE7NOT @ July 20 2006,11:52)
Quote (kg4kww @ July 20 2006,12:48)
Maybe we need to use the Israeli special forces in IRAQ? They seem to know how to get the job done.

BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Israeli special forces battled Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday during a second day of fierce ground fighting in war-ravaged southern Lebanon.

Video Update US Navy lands in Beirut

Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed

And how many women and children did they kill in the process?

If Iran's surrogate murderers would set up camp AWAY from civilian targets, a lot fewer women and children would be caught in the crossfire. Unfortunately, protecting women and children is not an aim of Hezbollah.


al2i, your right,

Its the same game plan the communists had in Vietnam.
The Vietcong would hide in villages, booby trap them, arm women and children, and then when the army
went in and had to bomb their towns and shoot them, the press would see and call them baby killers.

Now the IDF is facing the same delimma. What a shame, I only hope they keep the non-combatant casualties as low as possible, Hezbullah isn't good for much of anything besides death and it needs to go.

[al2n]

And how many women and children have been spared during the bombings of busses and markets in Israel over the years.

I am not saying a kid for a kid is right, but at least the IDF is trying to target military targets.

If Hezzbullies really cared, they would not hide in the middle of an area populated by civilians.

The reason the IDF are able to be quick about doing some damage to their enemies over America is that they don't care about being politically correct. They just want to get the job done.

[kc7rs]

Quote[/b] ]Israel: Half Hezbollah's military power destroyed, Why Can't US Do This In IRAQ??
What a crock! First of all, Hezbollah's military power is nothing compared to the military machine that was in place in Iraq when we started. The U.S. pounded Sadam's capabilities into the ground and then completed the quickest ground invasion in recorded history. I applaud the performance of our troops in Iraq. They have done a tremendous job in the face of a very difficult situation.

[K2WH]

The reason the US can't do this or be like them, is because recent polls in Israel show 90% of the people are behind the leaders of Israel and the military to finally remove Hezzbolah from the face of the earth.

The polls in the US, are about 180 degrees the other way about Iraq, simply due to politics. If the people of the US got behind their President and military leaders, we would, we could have the same victories and respect the Israeli people enjoy.

K2WH

[kc7rs]

I completely agree with the statement that support at home is a major factor. The beef that I have with the subject of this thread is the assertion that Israel has accomplished anything beyond what our forces have already done. I suspect that the claim of "half of their military power destroyed" is an exaggeration.

In any case, all that Israel has done is drop a bunch of ordinance on Lebanon from the air and artillery. From what I have heard, any ground action has been less than effective. When or if Israel actually moves into Lebanon and takes control of the country, they will find themselves in the same (or probably worse) situation than our forces are in in Iraq and Afghanistan. To suggest that Israel has anything to show our forces at this point is an overstatement of what Israel has done and greatly discounts the performance of our troops.

[n2nh]

Okay. We had Iraq the Sequel. Then after an ludicrously short amount of time, some hotshot in a flight suit did a two wire on an Aircraft Carrier and in front of the crew, grandiosely announced, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!". There was also a banner that said "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!" I was surprised. Already? We won the war? We took out their infrastructure and vanquished their forces? Apparently so, because there was that dude saying the same thing at 5,6,10 and 11.

Once the war was over, there were different rules, my Navy friend tells me. Our forces became hamstrung. They had more restrictive rules and couldn't do the same things before the dude in the flightsuit did his big end zone dance. This meant more people were getting killed. Oh, well, maybe I forgot his name. Flightsuit dude is his boss you know. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KD6NIG]

Because Isreal and Hesbollah can thumb thier noses at the UN, among other things.

The ol USA cannot just do this kind of thing. If we were to do so, the screams would be heard all around the world. Look at the screams we're getting about Iraq, and that was (supposedly) at least semi-authorised by congress, etc.

I'm sure Lebanon and Isreal, if you polled the citizens, probably aren't too happy about it. But unlike here, thier leaders make the call and go with it, and nothing short of a coup will stop them.

The US can't win for losing. If we help someone, someone complains that we're helping. If we don't, someone complains that we aren't helping. No matter what we do, we'll always be ridiculed.

Its not right, but it always seems to happen, and our military people are the ones in the middle. Its not thier fault. They do a dang fine job and need to be commended for that. Blame the people who may send them if its wrong, but don't attack them for doing the job they are directed to do.

[w0aew]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ July 21 2006,08:55)]The reason the US can't do this or be like them, is because recent polls in Israel show 90% of the people are behind the leaders of Israel and the military to finally remove Hezzbolah from the face of the earth.
Oh really?

[K5UOS]

It is not a secret that Israel's usual response to aggression is overwhelming and disproportionate.
It may seem brutal to many but it is their form of mutually assured destruction. Killing one Israeli will certainly result in the death of several of the perpetrators or their fellow combatants, perhaps their entire town and often the leaders themselves.

Many nations may not like the Israelis but they respect (perhaps fear) their resolve and military might. Israel does not sway to public opinion or political whim.
But Israel is predictable and can be manipulated as they have been by Syria and Iran both of whom seek advantage by making the U.S. and Israel appear the sole aggressors in the region.

What is kind of funny is that the Hezbollah leader stated that he had other tricks up his sleeve to present to the Israeli's. A fool like that is taking Israel for granted. My guess is that Israel has much bigger sleeves than Hezbollah.


K5UOS

[ka5s]

Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ July 21 2006,01:05)]it's the other half that will kill you.
If as news reports say, Israel credits Hezbollah with ten thousand rockets, that leaves "only" five thousand.

Cortland
KA5S

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ July 21 2006,08:55)]The reason the US can't do this or be like them, is because recent polls in Israel show 90% of the people are behind the leaders of Israel and the military to finally remove Hezzbolah from the face of the earth.

The polls in the US, are about 180 degrees the other way about Iraq, simply due to politics. If the people of the US got behind their President and military leaders, we would, we could have the same victories and respect the Israeli people enjoy.

K2WH
Israel has mandatory military service for both Jewish men and women. All Israeli Jews are conscripted, except Haredim, who can choose to serve but mostly do not. Israeli Arabs are exempt from service, although they can volunteer and some communities such as the Druze, Bedouin, and Circassians do serve.

Hmm I'm sure the mandatory military service really does influence the population in Isreal, Unlike the U.S.? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[G0GQK]

Running a war is so simple, if you are sprawled in a chair slurping beer watching TV news.
You cannot compare Iraq with Lebanon and the subject is too complicated to explain.

The Israeli military have destroyed a country, but not Hezbollah. If a million were killed, there would be another milion behind them.
If all the armaments were destroyed, Iran would supply replacements.

The method being used is that which #Nazi Germany used all over Europe in WW2.

G0GQK

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (ka5s @ July 21 2006,08:04)]Quote[/b] (KE7DLG @ July 21 2006,01:05)]it's the other half that will kill you.
If as news reports say, Israel credits Hezbollah with ten thousand rockets, that leaves "only" five thousand.

Cortland
KA5S
True but even five thousand is more than I want to try and catch with an old baseball mitt. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif